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Nov 19, 2014 10:24 |  #2446

Robinson Crusoe wrote in post #17280742 (external link)
Thanks for the inputs. I read the strengths on the net. Was hoping to get answers what sides of the cameras they find better from real world users.

As a Canon/Sony user I can't say how either or Canon lens with Sony camera compares to the Nikon, since I don't use the Nikon.

Because the Nikon shares the Sony sensor with some software differences, you are asking a question few can answer. Obviously the Nikon Camera is an excellent device and works well with Nikon glass and the other lens companies that have Nikon mounts.

Sony temporarily provides Canon users with a 36 MP sensor though an adapter. The Sony A7S has fewer MP but provides a silent shutter capability and a really high ISO, good for street and theater photography. While some adapters do allow for Canon lenses to be controlled by the Sony cameras. It's great to have all the exif data, too. What is not so great is that the focus is often slow and clunky to the point that it is often easier to just focus manually. I've found that putting on manual lenses with a non-reading adapter can be very useful, but I'm from pre-AF days and used to the procedure.

I knew before I went on the Sony path that I would have to make adjustments to accommodate the inherent weaknesses of the Sony system. The cameras, as others are learning, are not as durable or sturdy as either Canon or Nikon make their amateur bodies. Light leaks and loss of communication as the body and lens mounts flex under the weight of bigger lenses are beginning to pop up in lists of complaints.

The result is that, with careful handling, one can get good large print images of static subjects with the use of Canon lenses on the A7R; and one can get images practically in the dark with fast manual lenses on the A7S. For the time being, that is good enough.

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Nov 19, 2014 11:13 |  #2447

Robinson Crusoe wrote in post #17280742 (external link)
Thanks for the inputs. I read the strengths on the net. Was hoping to get answers what sides of the cameras they find better from real world users.

Nikon:
If you like what you see in the D810, jump on it. It's a fantastic camera. The D800 had a great sensor, but the camera had a few shortcomings (like an awful Live View). The D810 fixes everything while making some very nice improvements.

If you don't need 36 MP, the D750 looks very appealing as well.

Canon:
The 5D III is nearly at the end of it's life cycle - depending on your needs and budget, it might be worth waiting a few months to see if Canon announces a 5D IV - it should be due.

Sony:
Strong rumor has it that the a7 II will be announced very soon and will feature in-body stabilization: http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …-axis-stabilization-soon/ (external link)

Sony rumors have proven far more solid than Canon rumors. I think Sony deliberately leaks their plans. Last year the a7 was a rumor, and it panned out.

Also rumored, for early 2015, is a new a9 - it is supposed to be a "professional" level camera with an all-new sensor. That is where my attention will be.

Even if you don't want to get the next/latest camera from either Sony or Canon, waiting till the next release will provide the lowest cost on current cameras.


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Nov 19, 2014 11:40 |  #2448

David Arbogast wrote in post #17281428 (external link)
Nikon:
If you like what you see in the D810, jump on it. It's a fantastic camera. The D800 had a great sensor, but the camera had a few shortcomings (like an awful Live View). The D810 fixes everything while making some very nice improvements.

If you don't need 36 MP, the D750 looks very appealing as well.

Canon:
The 5D III is nearly at the end of it's life cycle - depending on your needs and budget, it might be worth waiting a few months to see if Canon announces a 5D IV - it should be due.

Sony:
Strong rumor has it that the a7 II will be announced very soon and will feature in-body stabilization: http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …-axis-stabilization-soon/ (external link)

Sony rumors have proven far more solid than Canon rumors. I think Sony deliberately leaks their plans. Last year the a7 was a rumor, and it panned out.

Also rumored, for early 2015, is a new a9 - it is supposed to be a "professional" level camera with an all-new sensor. That is where my attention will be.

Even if you don't want to get the next/latest camera from either Sony or Canon, waiting till the next release will provide the lowest cost on current cameras.

Agreed as i will have a lightly used A7r for the grabs soon ;) :lol:


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Nov 19, 2014 13:33 |  #2449

advaitin wrote in post #17281353 (external link)
As a Canon/Sony user I can't say how either or Canon lens with Sony camera compares to the Nikon, since I don't use the Nikon.

Because the Nikon shares the Sony sensor with some software differences, you are asking a question few can answer. Obviously the Nikon Camera is an excellent device and works well with Nikon glass and the other lens companies that have Nikon mounts.

Sony temporarily provides Canon users with a 36 MP sensor though an adapter. The Sony A7S has fewer MP but provides a silent shutter capability and a really high ISO, good for street and theater photography. While some adapters do allow for Canon lenses to be controlled by the Sony cameras. It's great to have all the exif data, too. What is not so great is that the focus is often slow and clunky to the point that it is often easier to just focus manually. I've found that putting on manual lenses with a non-reading adapter can be very useful, but I'm from pre-AF days and used to the procedure.

I knew before I went on the Sony path that I would have to make adjustments to accommodate the inherent weaknesses of the Sony system. The cameras, as others are learning, are not as durable or sturdy as either Canon or Nikon make their amateur bodies. Light leaks and loss of communication as the body and lens mounts flex under the weight of bigger lenses are beginning to pop up in lists of complaints.

The result is that, with careful handling, one can get good large print images of static subjects with the use of Canon lenses on the A7R; and one can get images practically in the dark with fast manual lenses on the A7S. For the time being, that is good enough.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17281428 (external link)
Nikon:
If you like what you see in the D810, jump on it. It's a fantastic camera. The D800 had a great sensor, but the camera had a few shortcomings (like an awful Live View). The D810 fixes everything while making some very nice improvements.

If you don't need 36 MP, the D750 looks very appealing as well.

Canon:
The 5D III is nearly at the end of it's life cycle - depending on your needs and budget, it might be worth waiting a few months to see if Canon announces a 5D IV - it should be due.

Sony:
Strong rumor has it that the a7 II will be announced very soon and will feature in-body stabilization: http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …-axis-stabilization-soon/ (external link)

Sony rumors have proven far more solid than Canon rumors. I think Sony deliberately leaks their plans. Last year the a7 was a rumor, and it panned out.

Also rumored, for early 2015, is a new a9 - it is supposed to be a "professional" level camera with an all-new sensor. That is where my attention will be.

Even if you don't want to get the next/latest camera from either Sony or Canon, waiting till the next release will provide the lowest cost on current cameras.

2 very useful/helpful posts, thank you both.


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Nov 19, 2014 19:04 |  #2450

so many new bodies with Sony they leaked a 46 megapixel camera in 2015. I am now happy with the A7R despite the limitations may have mentioned.
I have mentioned before I will be buying the next Canon full frame to replace the 5D2 and 7D. Hopefully the new Canon will have both fast focus and continuous shooting. The A7000 looks promising as a walk about camera and back up to A7R for travel use.

So the replacement for the A7R will be in 2016 or beyond.


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Nov 19, 2014 21:39 |  #2451

A7r + Canon 16-35L 2.8 II

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Nov 21, 2014 16:40 |  #2452

Robinson Crusoe wrote in post #17280183 (external link)
Would you say when you sum them up it becomes D810 which can't use Canon lenses?

For the most part Canon's lenses are sharper and better, with the exception of the Nikon 14-24mm. The 5D3 is also stronger in high ISO and autofocus than the D810.

But the main advantage is to have a light walk about mirrorless camera to use when off tripod, in the Sony a7R.


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Nov 21, 2014 16:47 |  #2453

Mornnb wrote in post #17285883 (external link)
For the most part Canon's lenses are sharper and better, with the exception of the Nikon 14-24mm. The 5D3 is also stronger in high ISO and autofocus than the D810.

The 5D3 is a bit better than the D800 but the D810 is better than the 5D3 and almost equal to the 6D.


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Nov 22, 2014 09:00 |  #2454

Sony A7r + Canon 16-35L F/2.8

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Nov 22, 2014 10:01 |  #2455

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Nov 25, 2014 21:14 |  #2457

I've been on the road, so being able to post has been pretty spotty, but I'm holed up here in Oregon for a little bit, so thought I'd post a few recent ones?

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Nov 26, 2014 12:24 |  #2459

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Nov 26, 2014 13:18 |  #2460

Some shots with the new FE 16-35 F/4 ZA OSS

Fulton Street Station here in NYC which just opened up:

Testing the OSS as much as possible. Camera shake but i expected this:

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