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Nov 11, 2014 05:44 |  #1

I am undecided on what to do regarding my Zeiss 15mm

Its a cracking lens, I have had it modified by zeiss to remove the petals so it can use the Lee filters

But I also have the TSE-17mm and the Lee adaptor for it

I want a super wide that I can do walk around, so the 15mm has remained in my custody, but now I wonder if I should switch to the 21mm instead

Or am I being dumb and should keep the 15mm ? the next one on my lineup of prices I own is the 35mm, so wonder if 17-21-35 makes more sense

Ideally 15-17-21-35 would be even better I know :)


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Nov 11, 2014 06:24 |  #2
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Really depends on what you shoot. I own the 21 and have no inclination of getting the 15 as it's too wide for my taste. For you, it might be different. Don't know how anyone knows your interests better than you.




  
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Nov 11, 2014 08:31 |  #3

NullMind wrote in post #17264651 (external link)
Ideally 15-17-21-35 would be even better I know :)

That sounds an awfully lot like a 16-35mm. ;) The Canon 16-35mm f/4L is an excellent performer - right there with the TS-E 17mm. The main advantage with the Zeiss 21mm (over the Canon 16-35mm f/4L) is f/2.8.

15mm is a more challenging focal length to shoot than 21mm, so 21mm is an overall more usable lens. Switching makes sense to me for that reason.


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Nov 11, 2014 09:16 |  #4

Hogloff wrote in post #17264677 (external link)
Really depends on what you shoot. ... Don't know how anyone knows your interests better than you.

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David Arbogast wrote in post #17264837 (external link)
That sounds an awfully lot like a 16-35mm. ;) The Canon 16-35mm f/4L is an excellent performer - right there with the TS-E 17mm. The main advantage with the Zeiss 21mm (over the Canon 16-35mm f/4L) is f/2.8.

I've seen some really nice images from the new 16-35, but *based on what I've seen thus far*, I think that there's still enough of a difference in the combination of sharpness and contrast characteristics to keep a Zeiss fan in-house.


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Nov 11, 2014 10:06 |  #5

NullMind wrote in post #17264651 (external link)
I am undecided on what to do regarding my Zeiss 15mm

Its a cracking lens, I have had it modified by zeiss to remove the petals so it can use the Lee filters

But I also have the TSE-17mm and the Lee adaptor for it

I want a super wide that I can do walk around, so the 15mm has remained in my custody, but now I wonder if I should switch to the 21mm instead

Or am I being dumb and should keep the 15mm ? the next one on my lineup of prices I own is the 35mm, so wonder if 17-21-35 makes more sense

Ideally 15-17-21-35 would be even better I know :)

Heya,

Well, 15mm is much wider than 17mm is. It's significant. And way, way wider than 21mm. So it depends on your use of it. I would probably favor the 21mm for my use as a landscape, because 15mm is so ultrawide that it dwarfs things. For me, those ultrawides are great for getting a scene with an object or foreground scene as complimentary, large in the frame, while still getting the whole scene in the background. Makes it interesting. Otherwise, I'd rather have a more narrow field of view for most landscapes, so 21mm makes more sense there for me. But again, it's about what you do with it.

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Nov 11, 2014 16:13 |  #6

David Arbogast wrote in post #17264837 (external link)
......The Canon 16-35mm f/4L is an excellent performer .....

It is.....especially for a wide zoom.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17264837 (external link)
.....right there with the TS-E 17mm.....

I'm not sure that I could be that bold when expressing my opinion about it.

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Nov 11, 2014 16:59 |  #7

Canon Bob wrote in post #17265778 (external link)
It is.....especially for a wide zoom.


I'm not sure that I could be that bold when expressing my opinion about it.

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What makes the TS-E's so great (and the Zeiss 21mm as well) is they have excellent even performance across the frame. Compared at f/8, the 16-35mm f/4L is slightly sharper in the center, but slightly less sharp in the corners. Still, look pretty close to me.

TS-E 17mm:
http://www.photozone.d​e …85-canontse17f4ff?start=2 (external link)

EF 16-35mm f/4L:
http://www.photozone.d​e …77-canon_1635_4is?start=1 (external link)

I also have been giving a lot of thought about my own wide-angle kit. I just added the Nikon 14-24mm to my bag because I feel there is goodness in having a UWA zoom alongside a pair of great primes. I consider my TS-Es essential. Sadly, that leaves no room for the awesome Zeiss primes.:( For that reason I sold my Zeiss 21mm earlier this year. Wish I could have it all, but for now I'm very pleased with a TS-E 17, 24 II, and 14-24 kit.

So, in the OP's case, consider this: sell the 15mm for the excellent 21mm (and keep the TS-E 17). Add the 16-35mm f/4L and the wished for focal length range is mostly covered, while also having two fantastic primes.

One more consideration: if the 15mm gets sold it will be sorely missed. I had the also-excellent 14L II and sold it because, as I mentioned before, 14-15mm is a challenging not-the-most-useful focal length. But, man, I really missed having a 14mm in my bag. So, I am elated about getting that focal length back in the much more useful 14-24mm zoom. So, my zoom suggestion is just about a way for the OP to have cake and eat it too. :)


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Nov 11, 2014 17:52 |  #8

Yeah, I have a feeling if I sell the 15 I will miss it, looking at the funds and decided I will just add the 21 alongside them, perhaps cancel my 150-600 sigma for now, I do use my wides more


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Nov 12, 2014 14:42 |  #9

Funny that you came to the same conclusion that I did a while back, only in the other direction. I had the Zeiss 21 first and picked up the Zeiss 15 with the intention of selling the 21...but couldn't. So I still have both!


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Nov 12, 2014 17:36 |  #10

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Funny that you came to the same conclusion that I did a while back, only in the other direction. I had the Zeiss 21 first and picked up the Zeiss 15 with the intention of selling the 21...but couldn't. So I still have both!

Have you modified your 15 to accept the Lee filters ?


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Nov 21, 2014 03:44 |  #11

Just an update, I ended by buying the Zeiss 21 and kept the 15, these are two very special lenses and if you can have them both, do it :)

Loving the 21, it really is the perfect walk around wide lens !


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Nov 21, 2014 07:30 |  #12

NullMind wrote in post #17284894 (external link)
Just an update, I ended by buying the Zeiss 21 and kept the 15, these are two very special lenses and if you can have them both, do it :)

Loving the 21, it really is the perfect walk around wide lens !

I have both but generally tend to shoot the 21 more often, however the 15 adds a very unique perspective to landscapes that are difficult to achieve with the 21.


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Nov 21, 2014 19:16 |  #13

I currently own the EF 16-35mm f/4L IS, Zeiss ZE 21mm, 18mm and the TS-E 24mm f/4.5L II. Used to own the version 1 14L but sold it awhile ago. Before getting the 16-35 f/4 I had the 2.8L II which is why I got the two Zeiss primes for there great cross frame performance. Now that I have the 16-35mm f/4L I plan to give up the ZE 18mm, not enough of a difference for me. The 21mm and 16-35mm make a great working combination. One, the 21mm, is really the lens I love to shoot with. The other is great and flexible zoom that travels well.

Just FYI, also own the 35L as well.


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