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Nov 22, 2014 09:05 |  #76

DarthVader wrote in post #17286269 (external link)
0.1 EV improvement after 5 years :).

canon rookie wrote in post #17286610 (external link)
And only a slight increase in high ISO improvement.Heck even a Nikon 3200 spanks the 7dMKII at high ISO's.

Slight increase? It jumped 200+ points or 26%. Thats a significant jump.

And they are two different cameras to begin with. Why would you get a D3200 if you are looking at a 7DII its because of what it brings you in the focus system.

Focus points: 11 for the 3200 vs 65 cross types on the 7DII
Burst: 4 FPS for the 3200 vs 10 FPS for the 7DII

If all you are looking at is sensor then you are missing the point of what the 7DII is for. Two different cameras.


Trust me im the first to speak about sensors but these are two different cameras and to Troll just for the heck of it in this situation is just weak :lol:


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Nov 22, 2014 14:56 |  #77

vipergts831 wrote in post #17286849 (external link)
Slight increase? It jumped 200+ points or 26%. Thats a significant jump.

And they are two different cameras to begin with. Why would you get a D3200 if you are looking at a 7DII its because of what it brings you in the focus system.

Focus points: 11 for the 3200 vs 65 cross types on the 7DII
Burst: 4 FPS for the 3200 vs 10 FPS for the 7DII

If all you are looking at is sensor then you are missing the point of what the 7DII is for. Two different cameras.


Trust me im the first to speak about sensors but these are two different cameras and to Troll just for the heck of it in this situation is just weak :lol:

I'm not trolling just disappointed that in 5 years since the 7d came out that there is only minor improvement in Dr and high ISO performance. I referenced the Nikon 3200 because my shooting partner has one and quite frankly it's considerably better in IQ and high ISO performance than my 7d, not to mention it's a $400 body.


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Nov 22, 2014 14:59 |  #78

canon rookie wrote in post #17287319 (external link)
I'm not trolling just disappointed that in 5 years since the 7d came out that there is only minor improvement in Dr and high ISO performance. I referenced the Nikon 3200 because my shooting partner has one and quite frankly it's considerably better in IQ and high ISO performance than my 7d, not to mention it's a $400 body.

But the D3200 isnt built for what the 7DII is. Different tools for different needs.


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Nov 22, 2014 14:59 |  #79

DarthVader wrote in post #17286626 (external link)
Yep

http://www.dxomark.com …sus-Nikon-D3200___977_801 (external link)

Are you planning to become "nikon rookie" ? :).

I'm seriously looking to buy a Nikon 5200 to use as a "travel" camera on my motorcycle journeys. I do a lot of landscapes traveling and the Low DR on that camera is amazing!!


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Nov 22, 2014 15:01 |  #80

vipergts831 wrote in post #17287322 (external link)
But the D3200 isnt built for what the 7DII is. Different tools for different needs.

True but for me I was hoping for more image quality increase:(


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Nov 22, 2014 15:11 |  #81

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True but for me I was hoping for more image quality increase:(

If image quality would have been boosted dramatically and they kept the focus system in place the price of the camera would have approached 3k. :lol:


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Nov 22, 2014 17:16 |  #82

vipergts831 wrote in post #17287322 (external link)
But the D3200 isnt built for what the 7DII is. Different tools for different needs.

That's besides the point.

The current Nikon crop bodies aren't built for fast action and sports - that's why they don't have the AF and other features of the 7D2 (or earlier D300s). They still put their best crop sensor into them.

The 7D2 is designed for action. That doesn't change the sensor - merely the AF and other features that help it to track and capture action. Canon still put in its best crop sensor - which, although adequate for the task, still falls well short of the competition at anything other than at high ISO.

No doubt this same sensor will find its way into the 70D's successor - not an action body, and directly comparable to Nikon's crops. The sensor still won't hold up.

It does the job for an action camera, and, if Canon existed in a vacuum, would be decent. Unfortunately, Canon does not exist in a vacuum and its sensors are currently well short of its competitors.




  
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Nov 22, 2014 19:26 |  #83

canon rookie wrote in post #17287319 (external link)
I'm not trolling just disappointed that in 5 years since the 7d came out that there is only minor improvement in Dr and high ISO performance. I referenced the Nikon 3200 because my shooting partner has one and quite frankly it's considerably better in IQ and high ISO performance than my 7d, not to mention it's a $400 body.

I would question that after looking at what DPreview have posted. Granted these aren't real world results but then DXO isn't either.

these are screen shots from dpreview (http://www.dpreview.co​m …s/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii/10 (external link))


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Nov 22, 2014 19:29 as a reply to  @ post 17287707 |  #84

You're looking at images which have undergone initial processing (even if only in-camera, default processing). That's more a comparison of the default processing than the sensor.

By all measurements, the Canon falls short in colour depth at all ISOs, and DR at low and medium ISOs. That doesn't mean images can't look better if the default processing is better for that particular shot, or if the subject, lighting conditions and output medium mean that the DR and colour depth limitations don't matter or don't come into play.




  
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Nov 22, 2014 19:33 |  #85

Shadowblade wrote in post #17287721 (external link)
You're looking at images which have undergone initial processing (even if only in-camera, default processing). That's more a comparison of the default processing than the sensor.

By all measurements, the Canon falls short in colour depth at all ISOs, and DR at low and medium ISOs. That doesn't mean images can't look better if the default processing is better for that particular shot, or if the subject, lighting conditions and output medium mean that the DR and colour depth limitations don't matter or don't come into play.

I hate to break this to you but DXO also use processed images from the camera. They don't have any magical way of by passing how the images are processed from the camera. They by pass the software used.

The basic protocol for all measurements is:

Adjust test targets, lights, and the selected camera and lens.
Shoot a set of images of the target at different camera and lens settings.
Process the target images with DxO Analyzer (machine vision algorithms enable automatic processing).
Evaluate the data and graphs reported through the DxO Analyzer interface.

From http://www.dxomark.com …DxOMark-testing-protocols (external link)


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Nov 22, 2014 20:43 |  #86

Shadowblade wrote in post #17287503 (external link)
That's besides the point.

The current Nikon crop bodies aren't built for fast action and sports - that's why they don't have the AF and other features of the 7D2 (or earlier D300s). They still put their best crop sensor into them.

The 7D2 is designed for action. That doesn't change the sensor - merely the AF and other features that help it to track and capture action. Canon still put in its best crop sensor - which, although adequate for the task, still falls well short of the competition at anything other than at high ISO.

No doubt this same sensor will find its way into the 70D's successor - not an action body, and directly comparable to Nikon's crops. The sensor still won't hold up.

It does the job for an action camera, and, if Canon existed in a vacuum, would be decent. Unfortunately, Canon does not exist in a vacuum and its sensors are currently well short of its competitors.

And that's exactly what it's supposed to do. :lol:


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Nov 22, 2014 22:47 |  #87

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And that's exactly what it's supposed to do. :lol:

The criticism isn't of the 7D2. It's of the 7D2's sensor. Which, while it works for the action-specialised 7D2 shooting primarily at high ISO and with limited regard for colour depth, is manifestly sub-par for the non-action-oriented, more general-purpose bodies it will undoubtedly also be used in.




  
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Nov 22, 2014 23:59 |  #88

In that comparison matrix Mark posted above my eye is drawn to the Sony A6000, to my eye it is the closest to the 7Dii and the best looking. Meaning, I cannot say.


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Nov 23, 2014 00:36 |  #89

Mark0159 wrote in post #17287716 (external link)
I would question that after looking at what DPreview have posted. Granted these aren't real world results but then DXO isn't either.

these are screen shots from dpreview (http://www.dpreview.co​m …s/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii/10 (external link))

It's a test of noise alone with no regard to detail actually recorded (spatial, luminance and colour detail).

Also, due to their higher resolution, these 100% crops represent a smaller proportion of the Sony and Nikon cameras' total image than the crops from Canon.




  
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Nov 23, 2014 03:22 |  #90

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #17288077 (external link)
In that comparison matrix Mark posted above my eye is drawn to the Sony A6000, to my eye it is the closest to the 7Dii and the best looking. Meaning, I cannot say.

I liked the sony as well. The whites are white and the blacks are dark, not pink and grey.


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