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Nov 24, 2014 05:23 as a reply to  @ post 17288759 |  #61

My view is the RX100 already covers a focal length, unless you have a specific reason to duplicate it - don't.

When I travel with my RX100M2 I don't take my 24-105. If I take the 5D2, it's with the 17-40, 70-200 2.8 or 400 5.6 - all focal lengths I can't do with the Sony. And even then, most holiday photos are taken with the RX100M2.

In fact my RX100M2 has allowed me to revert my FF setup to be more 'specialist' - primes etc. I'm about to get rid of my 17-40, will probably do the same with my 24-105 and will only keep the 70-200 2.8 because it is such a great lens.


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Nov 25, 2014 01:59 |  #62

interesting discussion. I personally take a WA (was 10-22, now the 16-35IS), easy walk around - 24-105, and long lens (+flash) unless I know of a place I am going specifically that I will add something else... eg botanical gardens etc .
Do you know where you'll be? In London, there are city scapes, gardens, statues, people etc...
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where will you be in Austria and Germany? City? Nature?
Willyou be shooting sites for themselves? sites with your family be in the pics too? or will the family be the main focus?


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Nov 25, 2014 02:30 |  #63

Welcome in Europe!
Your gear list is impressive (Gear Addiction Syndrom ?)

If I were you, I will take
- the RX100 when you will need to travel light
- Your SLR + 17-40L + 50mm + 85mm
- a mini tripod

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Nov 25, 2014 13:36 |  #64

DionM wrote in post #17289881 (external link)
My view is the RX100 already covers a focal length, unless you have a specific reason to duplicate it - don't.

That is an interesting perspective.

ceriltheblade wrote in post #17291764 (external link)
where will you be in Austria and Germany? City? Nature?

Mostly in the cities. Rothenburg, Munich, Salzberg and Vienna.

ceriltheblade wrote in post #17291764 (external link)
Willyou be shooting sites for themselves? sites with your family be in the pics too? or will the family be the main focus?

I will mostly be shooting the sites for themselves although I am sure there will also be pics with/of the family.

titi_67207 wrote in post #17291775 (external link)
Welcome in Europe!
Your gear list is impressive (Gear Addiction Syndrom ?)

Of course not, I use all those lenses every day. I find it especially useful to carry all five 50mm primes with me. :)

But yeah, I need to sell quite a few of my lenses. I probably only use half of them on any regular basis. I also find the lenses I use the most are not always the way I expected it to work out. For example, even though I have 50mm 1.2, I find I use the 50mm 1.4 much more often even though it is inferior in almost every way. The reality is it is smaller and lighter and the image quality is generally good enough.

titi_67207 wrote in post #17291775 (external link)
- the RX100 when you will need to travel light
- Your SLR + 17-40L + 50mm + 85mm

Although I use my primes quite a bit at home I am always hesitant to travel with them. The reason being even though I would not packing those 3 lenses for my trip, I would not want to carry them with me every day and be constantly switching lenses. I would rather have a few flexible zoom lengths and choose which one I want to use for that part of the day. For example, I will probably bring the 70-300 DO but it will likely only leave the hotel the day we go to the zoo.

Now for a more general question. For this type of basic travel photography do you think that IS is more important than a fast lens. It seems like giving up a stop of light is worth it for two-three stops of IS given that most of my subjects will be stationary.




  
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Nov 25, 2014 13:59 |  #65

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Now for a more general question. For this type of basic travel photography do you think that IS is more important than a fast lens. It seems like giving up a stop of light is worth it for two-three stops of IS given that most of my subjects will be stationary.

On a trip like this you would probably need a fast lens only for indoors, in big dimly lit churches, cathedrals, and museums. However, in buildings like that you cannot use the lens open as the DoF is going to be too thin. It is better to get a few extra f-stops with the IS, using the aperture you want. I used to take 30 1.4 lens with me, but gave up. Too few occasions when it was useful. I ended up using the 15-85 3.5-5.6 on the 70D that turned out much more useful in Europe. On my next trip to Western Europe this spring it will be the 6D with the 24-105 and nothing else.


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Nov 25, 2014 15:05 |  #66

After living in Germany for a few years and travelling around Europe, I had the 24-105mm on my 5D2 90% of the time, with the 17-40mm on for the other 10%, for those shots that I couldn't back up any further.

And the IS did help a lot, especially around dusk time. I always took a small tripod but didn't like setting it up very much.


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Nov 25, 2014 17:33 |  #67

For me, IS is a lot more important than a fast aperture on vacation. This is because in low light, I'm usually going to need some DOF to show what I'm shooting. Blowing out a background is typically not a goal in a vacation photo.

For what it's worth, I leaned on the image stabilizer in my GF-1 lens to take this impromptu shot at the Stuttgart Weihnachtsmarkt. I like the blur that I went after deliberately.


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Nov 25, 2014 17:47 |  #68

I'm in the camp that, when on vacation, I'm OK with foregoing the fancy stuff but I still want DSLR IQ and versatility.

I bring 7D (for the pop-up flash) + 17-55IS. Often, I wish it were wider so the 15-85 might be a good alternative.

I also bring a pocket tripod, for the landscapes and timed self-portraits.

Oh, and a simple shoulder camera-bag. It doubles as a water bottle holder because mine has a lens pouch.


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Nov 25, 2014 17:51 as a reply to  @ NBEast's post |  #69

Take as little as possible. It sounds like you should go for the 24-105L & if you need longer or wider then tough ****!!

That's how I look at it. I've done European [Beach] holidays & just taken the 5D2 & 50/1.4 & yes there's been shots I couldn't take but were they really that important? Nah, I couldn't even tell you what shots I missed. I got plenty of the kids in the pool, playing, on the beach, having a snack in a cafe/bar, sunsets so that was satisfying enough for me :)

Now I'd probably go with 5D2, 50/1.4 & 28/1.8 if doing a similar holiday ;)


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Nov 25, 2014 18:04 |  #70

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How do so many here get away without a flash for a whole week? Landscapes, fine. I've done it too (bring 5D2 on vacation) but invariably there came a time I wish I simply had the 7D.

Speaking for myself I typically pull out the RX100 III when I need flash. I sometimes bring along the 270EX which is tiny and lightweight but I find it rarely gets used.




  
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Nov 25, 2014 20:01 |  #71

In most European museums flash photography is not allowed. (Actually, in some museums, like Paris d'Orsay, photography is prohibited!) The interiors of churches are too expansive for a flash to be of any use.

Of course, if you take a flash with you, you will find occasions to use it, but in my view it is not worth it.


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Nov 26, 2014 00:24 |  #72

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(Actually, in some museums, like Paris d'Orsay, photography is prohibited!)

Since when? I was here in 2009 and took tons of pictures... in fact I took pictures everywhere in Paris and was never asked not to.


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Nov 26, 2014 04:02 |  #73

NBEast wrote in post #17293026 (external link)
How do so many here get away without a flash for a whole week? Landscapes, fine. I've done it too (bring 5D2 on vacation) but invariably there came a time I wish I simply had the 7D.

I guess my sort of holiday I mentioned the evening would be food in the hotel then off out for some socialising, bars, crazy golf to entertain the kids etc so no real need for flash for me as places have been reasonably well lit & high ISO makes it work.....

I guess my style/type or holiday photos are a lot different to what others are though maybe....

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Nov 26, 2014 07:40 |  #74

I just took a 3 week trip to Italy, Spain & France. Packed My 5dlll, 7d, 24-105L, 17-40L, 70-300L, Speedlight, Sekonic L478D and Sirui travel tripod into my Tamrac Expedition 7x back pack. Used all the gear, but didn't lug the entire pack everywhere I went.

The 24-105 saw the most use, then the 17-40. The 70-300 not so much. The pics inside the cathedrals and museums were shot with ISOs ranging from 1600-20,000 to keep the DOF I was looking for. The lack of noise from the 5dmklll is remarkable!

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Nov 26, 2014 08:58 |  #75

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Since when? I was here in 2009 and took tons of pictures... in fact I took pictures everywhere in Paris and was never asked not to.

I do not know when it started, I have been going regularly to Paris last four years, since my stepdaughter moved there.

I was stopped from taking photos at d'Orsay earlier this year, and a year before. Interestingly enough, I had no problem taking the camera inside, and I took a bunch of shots, but then an official came to me and told me to stop.

A similar story a few years ago at Sistine Chapel in the Vatican. An official is screaming at the top of his lungs: No photos! Nobody listens to him, so the guy walks among the tourists telling them that, but as soon as he goes back to his post the shutters stark clicking again.

Finally, there are museums in Europe that allow photography but want the tourists to pay for the "privilege", usually $3 - $5.


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