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Dec 03, 2014 19:14 |  #1

I have been trying out the photography hobby off and on for a while now with Canon and have T2i and have heavily invested in lenses and other items. But I compare my pics to my friends and mine are never that sharp nor do they pop, like my friends who uses Nikon. I know this depends on several factors but have another friend who also switched from Canon to Nikon and swears by it now, says Nikon is better at still pics compare to his Canon. I have heard few others say something similar.
But I wanted to get a more "expert opinion" here. There are lots of professional and expert photographers here and some of them have tried both. I would like to get their opinions/feedback if I should stick with what i have or switch to Nikon.

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Dec 03, 2014 19:47 |  #2

Just my opinion, not all will agree. But I think (assuming same operator) biggest IQ differences are dictated by lenses and sensor size.

That being said, I do think Canon's APS-C sensors have lagged a bit, especially the ones in your T2i. I do think if you are planning on sticking with APS-C, a switch to Nikon (or better yet mirrorless) might be worth it.




  
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Dec 03, 2014 19:49 |  #3

Canon vs. Nikon: Why I want to switch to Nikon, but can't fully


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Dec 03, 2014 20:19 |  #4

Most of the time it's up to you to take good pictures regardless of your gear brand. You'll hear this from most photographers and it is true. Let me give you an example, my brother in law owns a 5D mark II and several L lenses and he shoots everything in auto mode. In last two months we did two family shots both times I had my camera set for the occasions, I took their pictures then turned around gave him my camera with exact settings that I took their pictures with in exact same distance and out of 20 machine gun shots he took we have about 2 sharp ones with proper exposure. Rest of them either blurry or blown out. He kept messing with the shutter speed constantly while shooting.
I am not saying you do the same but taking pictures with proper exposure and right PP what makes them pop not the brand of your gear. :)


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Dec 03, 2014 20:46 |  #5

Should I get a different stove because my meals aren't delicious?

It's a little ridiculous when you look at it like that, isn't it? The most likely problem is that you're a novice, not that you're shooting with Canon. Lenses, bodies, stoves and pans - they're tools. It's still up to the person using them to be a craftsman. Work on your craft, worry about your tools a little later.


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Dec 04, 2014 01:33 |  #6

Pro wedding photog here. Rather than retype read my post here. Nikon is a better tool than Canon, for me, the way I shoot.


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Dec 04, 2014 03:48 |  #7

awesomeshots wrote in post #17309912 (external link)
Most of the time it's up to you to take good pictures regardless of your gear brand. You'll hear this from most photographers and it is true. Let me give you an example, my brother in law owns a 5D mark II and several L lenses and he shoots everything in auto mode. In last two months we did two family shots both times I had my camera set for the occasions, I took their pictures then turned around gave him my camera with exact settings that I took their pictures with in exact same distance and out of 20 machine gun shots he took we have about 2 sharp ones with proper exposure. Rest of them either blurry or blown out. He kept messing with the shutter speed constantly while shooting.
I am not saying you do the same but taking pictures with proper exposure and right PP what makes them pop not the brand of your gear. :)


This, and other comments like this.

I shot with Canon when I was first learning - what made me switch? A Canon Digital Rebel failed on me and corrupted a card. I've used both in professional studio settings, and I can now say I personally prefer the ergonomics of Nikon's layout.

But, if you're going to switch, do it now before you own tons of pricey lenses!


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Dec 04, 2014 04:19 |  #8

What is it about Nikon that makes you think it will improve your photography? If the answer is you see others producing better results then the answer is NOT about the brand. Improve your skills first.




  
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Dec 04, 2014 06:49 |  #9

tim wrote in post #17310505 (external link)
Pro wedding photog here. Rather than retype read my post here. Nikon is a better tool than Canon, for me, the way I shoot.

So when someone compliments you with, "your camera takes good photos?" you don't at least mentally correct them? Would changing back to Canon gear make you an inferior photographer? Sorry, but I give you, as a photographer, more credit than that, and I have to say that I don't think that you're being too terribly helpful with someone that explicitly says that they're unpracticed.


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Dec 04, 2014 07:45 |  #10

Which lenses do you have for the Canon? You say you're heavily invested in them, but if they're slow zooms or other cheap glass then glass makes the most difference in my opinion. What is it about your Canon that you think is holding you back? Could it be technique that you're lacking? If you don't have good shooting technique, switching to Nikon won't matter much.


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Dec 04, 2014 08:28 |  #11

macman1403 wrote in post #17309733 (external link)
I have been trying out the photography hobby off and on for a while now with Canon and have T2i and have heavily invested in lenses and other items. But I compare my pics to my friends and mine are never that sharp nor do they pop, like my friends who uses Nikon. I know this depends on several factors but have another friend who also switched from Canon to Nikon and swears by it now, says Nikon is better at still pics compare to his Canon. I have heard few others say something similar.
But I wanted to get a more "expert opinion" here. There are lots of professional and expert photographers here and some of them have tried both. I would like to get their opinions/feedback if I should stick with what i have or switch to Nikon.

thanks

Do you shoot raw or jpeg? and how much post processing do you do?

There is no reason for you not being able to get sharp images, with pop, from a Canon camera. Nikon do have a sensor that allows for better shadow recovery at lower ISOs, but I have not found that to be an issue in real life shooting. If you are shooting jpeg, and comparing them to Nikon jpegs straight from the camera, then the results depend hugely on the parameters you have chosen (or the picture style) for the in camera processing. If your friends with Nikons have them set to higher contrast and saturation than you use, then they will have more pop. Similarly, you may have sharpening set lower than them. Some Nikons have less aggressive anti-alias filters than Canons, which gives a sharper image straight out of the camera, however the Canon shots will be perfectly sharp after processing with routine sharpening applied (assuming taken well, with the right settings and a decent lens - the same goes for Nikon).

Are you comparing shots taken of the same scene, at the same time? A shot taken in dull light will have inherently less contrast than one taken in good light, so have less pop and also appear a little less sharp (as sharpness is closely tied to contrast).

If you and your friends are all shooting jpegs, and using the cameras default processing, then I believe Nikon may be using more aggressive processing and Canon use lower contrast, saturation and sharpness settings. This will give the Nikons more pop etc., as you are seeing, but risks them being over processed in harsher, higher contrast, lighting. From what I have heard, Canon take the attitude that DSLR owners will generally be processing their results. Therefore they are less punchy when used as a point and shoot, but properly edited the images are however you want them to look.

Canon or Nikon, editing will improve your results. So if you are looking to get the best results you will need to edit them anyway, with any camera brand. I have no problems at all with pop and sharpness from my Canons, but I shoot raw and do my own editing, rather than letting the camera do it for me.

There is absolutely no need to switch to Nikon to get great images. If you look at any of the big competitions or exhibitions, they are showcases for awesome work and there are plenty of those top images that have been shot on Canon gear. I am a member of a couple of camera clubs and many members ask me how I get my competition entries so good (including the Nikon owners) they say their camera doesn't produce images like that. My reply is always "neither does mine, the difference is in the editing".

There is no problem with switching to Nikon, if that is what you want to do, and you may well get punchier jpegs straight out of the camera. However, if you learn to edit properly, as well as learn how to use the camera most effectively, you should be producing better images with your T2i than either camera brand will produce in-camera. For what it's worth, I know at least 2 people who have recently switched from Nikon to Canon and are happy with their decision.

Nikon / Canon is like Porsche / Ferrari. There are some things they do differently, and one brand may have a small advantage in some areas and the other will have a small advantage in others. Overall though, just as Porsche and Ferrari both make top notch sports cars that do an excellent job, so do Canon and Nikon with cameras. One may suit you better than the other, but when it comes to the crunch both take great images. If your images are lacking in punch and sharpness it is down to the settings and/or the editing (assuming that the camera isn't faulty). If you don't want to edit them yourself (which will give the best results) then adjust the settings for the in camera processing. If you want more punch, crank up the contrast and saturation a bit, sharper images then turn up the sharpening. Do be aware though that sometimes you may need to turn these down a bit (in harsh sunlight for example, or when capturing very fine detail which may be oversharpened). Remember that when shooting jpeg, these will be baked into the result and if too high a setting is used you cannot turn it down later - blown highlights will remain blown, oversharpened images cannot be unsharpened again without leaving traces.




  
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Dec 04, 2014 08:58 |  #12

WhyFi wrote in post #17309980 (external link)
Should I get a different stove because my meals aren't delicious?

It's a little ridiculous when you look at it like that, isn't it? The most likely problem is that you're a novice, not that you're shooting with Canon. Lenses, bodies, stoves and pans - they're tools. It's still up to the person using them to be a craftsman. Work on your craft, worry about your tools a little later.

Just like every craft people pay big money for that little increase in performance. My upgrade from the 50d to the 6d was a huge success for me in pic iq.
I say next time borrow your friends camera and use it. Download the pics to your computer and see if there is a big difference for you. And as others have mentioned sensor size and glass should make the biggest difference, not brand.


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Dec 04, 2014 09:19 |  #13

elitejp wrote in post #17311020 (external link)
Just like every craft people pay big money for that little increase in performance.

You're forgetting that he's not yet a craft people.

When you're experienced enough to know what you're looking for and know how and why your gear is limiting your performance, by all means - go for it. But when you don't know enough to even take a stab in the dark as to why you're not getting the results you want, I don't feel that blaming the tools is the most productive place to start. Going back to my cooking analogy, it would be like me blaming my stove for causing my pans to hot spot when I don't even know the proper temps at which to saute, sear, sweat, etc.


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Dec 04, 2014 16:07 |  #14

Mozes wrote in post #17309823 (external link)
Canon vs. Nikon: Why I want to switch to Nikon, but can't fully

That's an informative video. Thanks for posting.




  
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Dec 04, 2014 22:13 |  #15

WhyFi wrote in post #17310750 (external link)
So when someone compliments you with, "your camera takes good photos?" you don't at least mentally correct them? Would changing back to Canon gear make you an inferior photographer? Sorry, but I give you, as a photographer, more credit than that, and I have to say that I don't think that you're being too terribly helpful with someone that explicitly says that they're unpracticed.

It depends on why the friends take better photos. Maybe they're a better photographer, more experienced, that kind of thing. However when I switched from Canon to Nikon my photos were better - more were in focus, which reduced my stress and the number of duplicates I had to take and let me think about things other than the basics. Trusting your equipment to work really takes a load off your mind to enable creativity.

To the OP - why are your friends photos better? Better composed? Sharper? I assume you're following basics like keeping your shutter speed up above (eg use at least 1/100th for a 100mm lens and 1/50th for a 50mm lens), using at least 1/100th for people and 1/250th for moving people?


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