7D II OR 1D IV a do-all camera?

Phoenixkh wrote in post #17309393
OK... an ignorant question: I know the 1D IV is a great camera for wildlife and sports. What lenses would one use for landscapes, etc.? As you can see in my signature, I have a couple very nice landscape lenses that are designed for crop cameras like my 7D 2.

I used the Tokina 11-16 on my 1D4.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17309616
I used the Tokina 11-16 on my 1D4.

TeamSpeed, I have this lens from my 7D and I expect my 5D3 this week. Is there any I need to know about this combo?

I think the only concern is the vignette from 11-15mm but just want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Thanks!

Heya,

Everything? 1DV.

Everything on a budget? 7D2.

Very best,

The lens only vignettes at 11mm or so on the 1D4 (so useful around 12-15), and when I use it on my FF, I use a 1.4x TC to get rid of the vignetting, but it still gives a very wide look at 15-28mm at f4.

I've noted that the used prices have decreased over the last few weeks as everyone flocks for this 7D2 in droves. Availability has also increased for the 1DIV. In the UK you can have one from £1200 (6 out of 10 score) or up to £2000 (9 out of 10 score)

I still think that seasoned pro's will take the 1D route all day and amateurs will be happy with the 7D2. Both will argue till the cows come home about which ones better and both will be right, however, each will have their own likes and dislikes about either. The one Do it All camera has to be the 1Dx until it's replaced of course.

Paulstw wrote in post #17310751
I've noted that the used prices have decreased over the last few weeks as everyone flocks for this 7D2 in droves. Availability has also increased for the 1DIV. In the UK you can have one from £1200 (6 out of 10 score) or up to £2000 (9 out of 10 score)

I still think that seasoned pro's will take the 1D route all day and amateurs will be happy with the 7D2. Both will argue till the cows come home about which ones better and both will be right, however, each will have their own likes and dislikes about either. The one Do it All camera has to be the 1Dx until it's replaced of course.

The 7D2 is within spitting distance of the 1D4, so it isn't as clear cut as you make it. If the 1D4 and 7D2 were priced identically on the used market (and we are very close now, I predicted $2000 1D4s on the used market in January about 5 months ago), there would still be a decision to be made:

- need the additional crop factor? (this is pretty important for pro sports shooters)
- need the video system?
- need the better OOC JPGs? (this is huge for pro sports shooters)
- want a smaller footprint overall gear-wise?
- want no banding when pushing shadows more than 2 stops?

I love the 1D4, I had one for years. I don't have one now, so I have to make this decision here pretty shortly, as I want a crop backup to the 5D3. I would consider myself a seasoned expert, I knew my way around the 7D and 1D4 very well, I understand exposure (finally), I know how to deal with noise, and I shoot things that are very demanding. It isn't quite a slam dunk with the 1D4 at this point for me.

I would say the 7D mark II can be a beast at times but it is really everything we wanted the 7D to be its that simple. Its not the Super Camera that was going to make a pro shooter out of everyone, but it is a pro shooter all the same. When its not giving what your looking for,.. look inward because the operator is the creator and he's on the blink.

I wish I could say you all have helped me sort this out but I still feel like I'm swimming up stream and flip flop back and forth multiple times per day.
I really feel for wildlife, sports and travel the 7dII is perfect for me. Will it do portraits as well as my 6d or reasonably close? My gut says yes and that may be more of choosing the correct lens than the correct camera.
Will the 5dIII do sports and wildlife as well, probably yes, and again may boil down more to lens choice than body choice.
Keep the info, comparisons and opinions coming, all are very much appreciated.

can you rent a 7dii and try it out for a week?

i think that will answer your questions.

that's what i plan on doing when im back in the states, renting a 6d and a 7dii to see which direction i want to upgrade my 7d..

The 5D is a probably one of Canon's best all around cameras. Has a great AF system, decent FPS, ergonomics are solid. But you might be missing reach, so you'll end up getting larger, heavier lenses to make up for it.

The 7DMII has a great AF, great FPS, decent enough buffer. You'll lose out on the low light performance but pair it with fast glass and it should be able to make up some of the difference. Put a 50L on it or a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8.

Decide which you shoot more of, whether it's sports/wildlife or whether it's more portraiture. If I had to pick, I would go for the 5D. You can get longer glass, but it's harder to get more DoF.

JVthePT wrote in post #17310825
I wish I could say you all have helped me sort this out but I still feel like I'm swimming up stream and flip flop back and forth multiple times per day.
I really feel for wildlife, sports and travel the 7dII is perfect for me. Will it do portraits as well as my 6d or reasonably close? My gut says yes and that may be more of choosing the correct lens than the correct camera.
Will the 5dIII do sports and wildlife as well, probably yes, and again may boil down more to lens choice than body choice.
Keep the info, comparisons and opinions coming, all are very much appreciated.

Any camera can do portraits, if you are talking about a more controlled portraiture with lighting etc, and you have a good eye for portraiture poses along with good control of lighting. Just get 1 or 2 fast primes, like a 50 1.4 or 35 1.4 if you get the 7D2.

Yes, the 7D jpg engine like all the cameras before it, had a really dated and poor JPG engine. The difference between a Raw processed to JPG vs OOC JPG was huge before. Now, there are minor gains to be had shooting raw to JPG vs OOC JPG.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17310736
The lens only vignettes at 11mm or so on the 1D4 (so useful around 12-15), and when I use it on my FF, I use a 1.4x TC to get rid of the vignetting, but it still gives a very wide look at 15-28mm at f4.

Thank you for posting this, I NEVER would have thought of this on my own.

Sorry for the hijack

Not really a hijack in my opinion, you cannot take pictures (easily) by just either of these bodies themselves, the lenses do play a MAJOR part in the decision.