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7D2 vs. 5D3, pushing shadows

 
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Dec 05, 2014 22:49 as a reply to  @ post 17315225 |  #31

Some one posted similar exmor push tests for 5d3,6d and 70d.

http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/thread/355422​2 (external link)


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Dec 06, 2014 09:10 |  #32

khwaja wrote in post #17315275 (external link)
Some one posted similar exmor push tests for 5d3,6d and 70d.

http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/thread/355422​2 (external link)


Thanks for posting that. It reminded me of the 5D3 problems with banding. Just saved me 2600. :)


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Dec 06, 2014 09:53 as a reply to  @ post 17310692 |  #33

Shadow performance is invaluable wen it comes to landscape and architecture photography, as these types of photography always tend to max out the dynamic range abilities of modern cameras. Especially when you're dealing with sunsets and are trying to avoid highlight clipping.


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Dec 06, 2014 14:37 |  #34

I am not a landscape photographer, but can only wonder how the most famous or successful landscape photographers managed to create incredibly beautiful and interesting images with digital cameras that did not have Sony sensors?

Just wondering folks :)




  
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Dec 06, 2014 17:24 |  #35

RayinAlaska wrote in post #17316549 (external link)
I am not a landscape photographer, but can only wonder how the most famous or successful landscape photographers managed to create incredibly beautiful and interesting images with digital cameras that did not have Sony sensors?

Just wondering folks :)

Who are such photographers? :)


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Dec 06, 2014 17:35 as a reply to  @ post 17315225 |  #36

...a bit different kind of shadow pushing 5D3 vs. 7D2. Same bird, same lens, though I didn't have time to match the settings.


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Dec 06, 2014 17:49 |  #37

RayinAlaska wrote in post #17316549 (external link)
I am not a landscape photographer, but can only wonder how the most famous or successful landscape photographers managed to create incredibly beautiful and interesting images with digital cameras that did not have Sony sensors?

Just wondering folks :)

Sure, lesser tools can be wielded to produce great work. Incredible pieces of furniture have been crafted for hundreds of years before the advent of power tools. But, would you ridicule a furniture craftsman in 2014 for wanting the best power tools even though previous generations of craftsmen did the whole thing by hand? Better tools are better tools, that's it. Doesn't make the person wielding the tools more talented, just gives them expanded capabilities to work their craft.

Cameras equipped with Sony Exmor sensors are (presently) the better tool for landscapes than other 35mm full frame sensor alternatives. However, I also know well that my 5D III is capable of capturing great landscapes even though its sensor isn't quite as capable as the one in my a7R.


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Dec 06, 2014 18:11 |  #38

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Who are such photographers? :)

Those famous photographers, some of which have TV shows on PBS, are the ones who used Nikon, Canon, and several other brands of digital cameras before Sony's sensors.




  
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Dec 06, 2014 18:16 |  #39

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Sure, lesser tools can be wielded to produce great work. Incredible pieces of furniture have been crafted for hundreds of years before the advent of power tools. But, would you ridicule a furniture craftsman in 2014 for wanting the best power tools even though previous generations of craftsmen did the whole thing by hand? Better tools are better tools, that's it. Doesn't make the person wielding the tools more talented, just gives them expanded capabilities to work their craft.

Cameras equipped with Sony Exmor sensors are (presently) the better tool for landscapes than other 35mm full frame sensor alternatives. However, I also know well that my 5D III is capable of capturing great landscapes even though its sensor isn't quite as capable as the one in my a7R.

That has nothing to do with what I implied. I was just wondering how photographers using cameras with such lesser sensors have and continue achieving such feats. Perhaps all have stopped using such cameras and now use ones with Sony sensors only?




  
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Dec 06, 2014 18:46 as a reply to  @ RayinAlaska's post |  #40

So because some of them have TV shows, they therefore must be famous? :D


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Dec 06, 2014 19:38 |  #41

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So because some of them have TV shows, they therefore must be famous? :D

Is it? What do you think makes a famous of successful photographer good enough to show his work on TV or to have the most famous art galleries sponsor their work, crappy photographers using cameras that incorporate only Sonny sensors?

In my view being good at photography has nothing to do with the equipment used, but I could be wrong of course.




  
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Dec 06, 2014 22:25 |  #42

RayinAlaska wrote in post #17317080 (external link)
Is it? What do you think makes a famous of successful photographer good enough to show his work on TV or to have the most famous art galleries sponsor their work, crappy photographers using cameras that incorporate only Sonny sensors?

In my view being good at photography has nothing to do with the equipment used, but I could be wrong of course.


I don't know. That is why I'm asking you. You seem to know. I don't hold tv shows in such high esteem, but that's just me.

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Dec 06, 2014 23:58 |  #43

RayinAlaska wrote in post #17316918 (external link)
That has nothing to do with what I implied. I was just wondering how photographers using cameras with such lesser sensors have and continue achieving such feats. Perhaps all have stopped using such cameras and now use ones with Sony sensors only?

I addressed that in my reply, which you've brushed off as "having nothing to do with what [you] implied." I'll state my reply again: Skilled artisans can produce amazing work, even if using lesser tools (this reality applies regardless of craft, which is why I referenced a wood craftsman). That was and is my answer to your stated question.

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In my view being good at photography has nothing to do with the equipment used, but I could be wrong of course.

You're saying what I'm saying (in an overly exaggerated way). However, that doesn't mean that the best artists don't want the best gear. This is not an either/or scenario. Skilled artisans care about their tools.


That said, your post suggested to me that you are discounting the value of a better sensor on the grounds that some landscape greats have and are producing beautiful imagery with lesser sensors. Apologies if I misread that. :)


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I addressed that in my reply, which you've brushed off as "having nothing to do with what [you] implied." I'll state my reply again: Skilled artisans can produce amazing work, even if using lesser tools (this reality applies regardless of craft, which is why I referenced a wood craftsman). That was and is my answer to your stated question.

You're saying what I'm saying (in an overly exaggerated way). However, that doesn't mean that the best artists don't want the best gear. This is not an either/or scenario. Skilled artisans care about their tools.

That said, your post suggested to me that you are discounting the value of a better sensor on the grounds that some landscape greats have and are producing beautiful imagery with lesser sensors. Apologies if I misread that. :)

Perhaps I misunderstood, and I apologize for that. I was just implying that long before Sony developed its sensor, photographers using Canon, Nikon, and even film cameras were doing just fine and continue doing so to this day. And I don't disagree with you about the best artists wanting the best gear, for that's true.




  
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Dec 07, 2014 00:36 |  #45

RayinAlaska wrote in post #17317614 (external link)
Perhaps I misunderstood, and I apologize for that. I was just implying that long before Sony developed its sensor, photographers using Canon, Nikon, and even film cameras were doing just fine and continue doing so to this day. And I don't disagree with you about the best artists wanting the best gear, for that's true.

We are of the same mind, I completely agree. :D


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