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Dec 06, 2014 18:49 |  #1

Hello everyone :) So I was attempting a holiday shoot with my 4 year old but turns out that it would be easier if i had a roll of seamless. So I am going to buy my first ever, the roll of the larger 107" savage thunder grey. Here is my question: I have shot a head shot session for a client when I just used the umbrella as key above angled down and a reflector as fill below since i didn't have a strobe at the time and just my 568exii hotshoe.

Since i will now have the seamless, strobe and speed light, can i simply do strobe in soft box as key and they 568ex from underneath in tiny umbrella as fill rather then the reflector? I can meter both to see where my ratio would be. I am thinking that since id have the seamless and strobe if i could move to a different method? OR

Could I stick to my reflector as fill and use the 568exii as a background for a bit of separation?

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Dec 07, 2014 13:26 |  #2

If you have a patient model (maybe your wife instead of 4 yr old), try everything you can imagine. There are many videos of using 1 light and 2 lights and getting great results using lights at every angle. One idea is to use your strobe as key with a reflector as fill and your 568 behind the model firing as a hot spot on the seamless or as a hairlight. Roll up the seamless when you are done and store flat on the ground so it doesn't bow in the center (ask me how I know that).


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Dec 07, 2014 15:10 as a reply to  @ Seamus69's post |  #3

Seamus69, thanks, ive heard or watched something that said I had to store the rolls vertical to avoid that very issue you described? Am i wrong and can i store it flat? Thanks!




  
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Dec 07, 2014 15:26 |  #4

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Seamus69, thanks, ive heard or watched something that said I had to store the rolls vertical to avoid that very issue you described? Am i wrong and can i store it flat? Thanks!

I store mine upright to avoid waves in the seamless from forming.


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Dec 08, 2014 15:40 |  #5

I dont want to hijack but since storing came into play I am going to ask. I have sch. 40 pipe running off the back wall of my studio, it will not sag at all (my wife hung on it to make sure :) ). If I leave it rolled up but on that bar do I still have to worry about it deforming?




  
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Dec 08, 2014 15:47 |  #6

Stick with the reflector. It gives you a nice ratio of fill and you dont have to worry about the extra stand being in the way, differing recycle times, accidentally getting the fill too bright and having monster shadows. Just keep it as simple as you csn.




  
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Dec 08, 2014 16:21 as a reply to  @ Littlejon Dsgn's post |  #7

Yes, you have to worry about deforming if you don't keep it rolled tight. Get some cheap spring clamps from your local lumber or hardware store, the kind you just open with your hands and the spring shuts them tight.


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Dec 08, 2014 16:24 |  #8

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Yes, you have to worry about deforming if you don't keep it rolled tight. Get some cheap spring clamps from your local lumber or hardware store, the kind you just open with your hands and the spring shuts them tight.

Cool I have lots of clamps so thats not a problem. Everything I read says to store it vertical, however I also know most stands and cross bars will sag with the weight of the paper, but the bars I have running will support most people doing chin ups without bowing. As long as the paper weight itself wont deform the rest of the roll I figure I should be good as long as it is rolled tight after each use.




  
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Dec 09, 2014 09:07 |  #9

As far as lighting:
If you use a big modifier on your main light, you might not need a fill or even a reflector. It all depends on the look you want to achieve.

I would use the Speedlight as a background light or a hair light. Especially if you have a subject with dark hair and clothes against a dark gray background, you need a little something to give them separation from the background, and define the outline of the hair and shoulders.


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Dec 12, 2014 11:37 |  #10

Gonzo and everyone, thank you for your replies!!

So, I will keep the reflector below to add a bit of bump back in the shadows, but I did want to try and add the 568ex as a hair light or just background light.. question though. Since ive always wanted to see what it would look like to give that corporate headshot look that background light on the seamless, what if any modifiers would I need for the 568? I can adjust the zoom down so its not so wide, but do I need it in a small modifier?

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digitalduck wrote in post #17328376 (external link)
Gonzo and everyone, thank you for your replies!!

So, I will keep the reflector below to add a bit of bump back in the shadows, but I did want to try and add the 568ex as a hair light or just background light.. question though. Since ive always wanted to see what it would look like to give that corporate headshot look that background light on the seamless, what if any modifiers would I need for the 568? I can adjust the zoom down so its not so wide, but do I need it in a small modifier?

Thanks everybody!!

Try this
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Dec 12, 2014 13:40 |  #12

Depends on the look you want.

For a background light, simply zooming it to the size you want may be enough. That Opteka grid will help you give it a different, cleaner shape - maybe that's better, maybe that's not.

For a hair light, a little softbox or stripbox might be nice. With the bare flash head, you can zoom all the way out or flip down the little diffuser, to get a wide spread that will hit hair and shoulders - but that'll still give you a tiny bright hotspot on a bald guy's shiny head.


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Dec 17, 2014 11:22 |  #13

Thank you everyone... here is my dilemma, OK, so i only have two 622c's so I will buy another one today for my 568exii OR should I just but the new commander 62c-tx? Seems like something good to have in the future so I could get one and then use that on camera then one on my strobe and one on the speedlight for the background ...

Is it best to have the speedlight on a light stand positioned perfectly behind subject pointing at background zoomed appropriately etc OR can it be on the floor pointing up? Ive seen it both ways and assume its best on light stand of course?

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Dec 17, 2014 11:32 |  #14

It really deends on the effect you want.

Spot, ligjt on a stand aimed at the drop from behind the subject.


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Dec 17, 2014 11:37 |  #15

Nice Gonzo, thanks for the examples! That helps a lot.. looks like I can get the 622c first since its required and play with the positioning and go from there..




  
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