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7D vs. 7D Mark II IQ

 
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Dec 07, 2014 22:37 as a reply to  @ post 17316725 |  #16

First is the 70D (which Gave me troubles before) and now the 7Dii. What I see in common is the new DUAL AF SYSTEM of both bodies. Thoughts?




  
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Dec 08, 2014 00:27 |  #17

Very possible. I know that Olympus tried to improve on the AF on the (mirrorless) E-M1 over the E-M5, and it came at the cost of a slight reduction in IQ. Single shot AF is sort of OK with 4/3 lenses, and pretty good with m4/3 lenses, but continuous AF is (NOT) for the birds! Sure, problems arise with DSLRs phase detect systems, but they are fast and ideally accurate. On sensor contrast detect seems to be somehow risky. But now that DSLRs MUST be able to do video (WHY??!!) it seems to be the way things are going. People often predict the death of the DSLR, but they ain't there yet.




  
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Dec 08, 2014 00:57 |  #18

I got to use my brand new 7D Mark II today at two belly dance events, an afternoon and an evening event.

Quick summary is the camera just worked remarkably, it was so much fun to use.

As soon as possible, I'll post some sample fotos to this thread. The producer for the evening event has the SD chips from the camera; when she gets them back to me, I'll have dim light club shots done with the 7d Mark II and the 50mm f/1.2L or the 35mm f/1.4L. The earlier daytime belly dance fotos were done with the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM.


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Dec 08, 2014 01:29 |  #19

being an owner of a 7d since 2010, i really want to jump to the II version...

BUT

these threads scare me. after 5 years i really dont want to deal with hit and miss shots.

i only have one lens for the 7d body, but im really thinking 6d will eb my next purchase. and yes i understand the 7d's are fast action blah blah..
but when i can take sharper pics time and time again with my cell phone, there has to be a problem.

and seeing these threads makes the 2k in my pocket want to be spent somewhere else.

i will rent several bodies in the new year and see where they take me..


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Dec 08, 2014 01:44 |  #20

bk2life wrote in post #17319799 (external link)
but when i can take sharper pics time and time again with my cell phone, there has to be a problem.

Shoot at f/8 or smaller aperture and increase the sharpening in post (or in-camera setting) and you will get sharp photos all the time too. ;)


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Dec 08, 2014 01:55 |  #21

DanC.Licks wrote in post #17319744 (external link)
But now that DSLRs MUST be able to do video (WHY??!!)

I must admit, I use dslrs for videos (weddings, parties etc.) There are three reasons I can tell for this... Versatility, cost and impression to the client. Some say why not use handycams because they just give the same output? my reason is, clients (at least in our place) find them cheap especially on a wedding. No matter how we explain to them, they still dont want them. Pro levels video cams are quite expensive and heavy. So as a resort to continue business, I preferred the dslr to capture videos. They don't look cheap and the cost is (for a 70D) low compared to Canon's C300. I know dslrs were meant for stills during the old days but I have to dance with the rhythm to cope up with competitors.

But then again, this technology really brings some headaches sometimes. Sorry for being out of the topic. :-)




  
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Dec 08, 2014 02:35 |  #22

I don't think that is off topic. It has to do with the compromises we are having to deal with.
For those of us who have zero interest in video, it would be great to have a camera that is 100% optimized for stills.




  
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Dec 08, 2014 09:17 as a reply to  @ DanC.Licks's post |  #23

If you consider all the imaging sensors on the market today (regardless if it's Canon, Nikon or Sony), what else would you like to see optimized for stills photography? What features are missing?


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Dec 08, 2014 10:15 |  #24

Jiggo0109 wrote in post #17319602 (external link)
First is the 70D (which Gave me troubles before) and now the 7Dii. What I see in common is the new DUAL AF SYSTEM of both bodies. Thoughts?

The dual AF systems only come into play with live view and movie mode, when the sensor is being used to AF. AF through the viewfinder goes through a completely different AF hardware set.


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Dec 08, 2014 11:27 |  #25

It is not a question of features being added, but whether the necessary compromises are detrimental to still image IQ. Just a thought and I know it will never happen. Just a mater of time before they add a smartphone and a TV to a DSLR.;-)a




  
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Dec 08, 2014 12:52 as a reply to  @ DanC.Licks's post |  #26

What has been compromised? I think most would agree that sensors today are better than those 5 years ago prior to video capabilities being introduced.


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Dec 08, 2014 13:19 |  #27

Did I say they weren't better? Perhaps they could be better still...
In the case of the E-M1 a certain amount of the sensor's real estate was "sacrificed" to be used for the focusing system for 4/3 lenses that were all made for the E series DSLRs, and didn't work for beaqns on the E-M5. They work now, more or less, some better than others, but at what price? Could be the reason the E-M1 is slightly noisier than the older E-M5. So the question is, could sensors be still better if they didn't have to also do video? I don't know, but it is worth thinking about.




  
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Dec 08, 2014 17:30 |  #28

One with 7D, one with 7DII. Anyone hazard a guess which is which? It doesn't seem to be a big difference to me, but I am encouraged that the 7DII does not look worse (or much worse?) in this light, with the 100-400L lens. Now I really need to learn how to shoot futbol/soccer indoors, in poor lighting conditions. I think I will keep the camera, but still there's at least time left to test, test, test.


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Dec 08, 2014 20:15 |  #29

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17320357 (external link)
The dual AF systems only come into play with live view and movie mode, when the sensor is being used to AF. AF through the viewfinder goes through a completely different AF hardware set.

Yaps, I am aware of that fact. The only thing that bothers me is, why 70d and 7dii came out with faulty ones (not sure with the 7dii yet though). The 6d and 5d3 were flawless when they were introduced and no big changes with their af system was done. The latest units came with upgraded af system and it is clear that some, only some, are having problems. I don't know, but I think Canon needs to re assess their latest eos bodies. 70d and 7dii in particular.




  
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Dec 08, 2014 20:53 |  #30

Jiggo0109 wrote in post #17321551 (external link)
Yaps, I am aware of that fact. The only thing that bothers me is, why 70d and 7dii came out with faulty ones (not sure with the 7dii yet though). The 6d and 5d3 were flawless when they were introduced and no big changes with their af system was done. The latest units came with upgraded af system and it is clear that some, only some, are having problems. I don't know, but I think Canon needs to re assess their latest eos bodies. 70d and 7dii in particular.

I started this thread to hear others' assessments of their 7D vs. 7DII image quality. If anyone else has a thought to add to that topic it'd be appreciated. Otherwise, let the ramble and/or thread death begin!!


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