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Dec 12, 2014 11:03 |  #1

I am asking this question on this forum because I only use this equipment for bird photography . I have a 7D and 100-400L lens, both Mk1s. I find that with some trade in I can afford either the 7D Mk2 or the 100-400L Mk2 but not both. I think that I will get a better upgrade in IQ and focus acquisition by opting for the new camera body over the new lens, does anybody have any views on this, bearing in mind that I am only using this body/lens combo for bird/wildlife photography?


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Dec 12, 2014 11:27 |  #2

I agree with sticking with your current lens and adding the 7D2.....BUT, personally I would wait for more reviews to come in on the 100-400ii first.


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Dec 12, 2014 12:36 |  #3

The normal reply is glass first, but your case is not that clear cut.
I think it comes down to which (camera or lens) is limiting you. If you feel the need for better high ISO performance and AF then the 7D2 is the way to go.
However if you find the IQ limiting then the 100-400 Mk2 looks to be the better option.
Just a thought - do you use the zoom function on your lens much? I didn't when I had a 100-400. If you don't then trading your 100-400 Mk1 for a Canon 400 F5.6 L will give you better IQ and faster AF as well as costing little or nothing. You could then add the 7D2 and the better high ISO performance would help offset the lack of IS. Best of both worlds? This would be my choice as it would fit my needs better but would it suit you?


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Dec 12, 2014 12:46 |  #4

The good news is.... if you decide to buy a 400mm f/5.6 instead of the new 100-400 ii, you should be able to pick up a pristine used one at a decent price.

Several of us are waiting until we use our new 100-400 ii's before we decide if we are going to keep our 400 f/5.6 primes.

I purchased the 7D 2 first because I was using a 70D. I've already seen a huge improvement in my photographs because of the enhanced AF of the 7D 2 and I haven't optimized mine to its fullest extent yet. I'm still setting up the AI Servo cases for optimum IQ. I haven't micro adjusted any of my lenses yet either. I expect even more improvements as I continue to refine the gear, not to mention my skill level.

I'm not I gave you valuable input as to which to buy first. It isn't an easy decision. I know the 7D 2 is a great camera and as we get more and more info on the 100-400 ii, I suspect we'll find out, it's a great lens as well.


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Dec 12, 2014 22:15 |  #5

I had a general dislike of the original 7D, so I'd probably go 7D2 or used 1D4.


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Dec 15, 2014 09:48 |  #6

I'd sell them both and go used 1D4/400 5.6. That said, the new 100-400 is spectacular.


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Dec 15, 2014 15:05 |  #7

Thanks to everyone for the valuable and interesting input. I think it will be the new camera body. The lens may be old technology but I still think it's pretty good, far better than any lens Iv'e used before and it will do the job for me for a while. I want to stick with the zoom lens as I also do landscape and I am finding it quite useful for 100mm landscapes while I am waiting for birds to appear. The 7D is not as old as the lens but as far as increases in technology go, camera bodies have come on by leaps and bounds, particularly in regards to high ISO noise levels and this is where the 7D fails the most. I also understand that the Mk2 focusing system is a huge improvement which is of interest to me for BIF. I will wait for a couple of months to get feedback on the camera before I take the plunge. Prices may have dropped a bit as well.

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Jan 06, 2015 23:57 |  #8

Agree - the 7D MKII autofocus is a huge improvement especially for BIF - It also shoots 10fps (frames per second) which is AWESOME ... if you manage to pair it with 400mm 5.6L you will have a great combination..

I had the 100-400 V1 and when changed to 400mm 5.6L I was blown away - no comparison in my books


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Feb 09, 2015 20:34 |  #9

GShooter wrote in post #17334311 (external link)
Thanks to everyone for the valuable and interesting input. I think it will be the new camera body. The lens may be old technology but I still think it's pretty good, far better than any lens Iv'e used before and it will do the job for me for a while. I want to stick with the zoom lens as I also do landscape and I am finding it quite useful for 100mm landscapes while I am waiting for birds to appear. The 7D is not as old as the lens but as far as increases in technology go, camera bodies have come on by leaps and bounds, particularly in regards to high ISO noise levels and this is where the 7D fails the most. I also understand that the Mk2 focusing system is a huge improvement which is of interest to me for BIF. I will wait for a couple of months to get feedback on the camera before I take the plunge. Prices may have dropped a bit as well.

David

I was under the impression that the 7d mk2 was really only about a half stop better that the 7d as far as high ISO goes. I have the same setup as you a 7d and a 100-400 mk1. When I upgrade, I think I would go for the lens over body just for the much better IS system and not to mention amazingly sharp.




  
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Feb 09, 2015 23:25 |  #10

GShooter wrote in post #17328327 (external link)
I am asking this question on this forum because I only use this equipment for bird photography . I have a 7D and 100-400L lens, both Mk1s. I find that with some trade in I can afford either the 7D Mk2 or the 100-400L Mk2 but not both. I think that I will get a better upgrade in IQ and focus acquisition by opting for the new camera body over the new lens, does anybody have any views on this, bearing in mind that I am only using this body/lens combo for bird/wildlife photography?

Heya,

You get minor improvements from the lens upgrade (as it's just features and minor optical improvements).
You get minor improvements in AF/IQ/ISO in the 7D2.

What do you need more for what you do?

The 7D2 will be the overall bigger upgrade, out of two minor upgrades, in this situation. Solely from an ISO performance standpoint and stronger AF system.

Otherwise, a different lens all together could be an option. The 400 F5.6L prime is faster, sharper. If you're always living at 400mm, swapping to that would be a nice change of pace at no real cost difference, straight trade.

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Feb 10, 2015 11:10 |  #11

jm4ever wrote in post #17424548 (external link)
I was under the impression that the 7d mk2 was really only about a half stop better that the 7d as far as high ISO goes. I have the same setup as you a 7d and a 100-400 mk1. When I upgrade, I think I would go for the lens over body just for the much better IS system and not to mention amazingly sharp.

I, personally, thin it is more than that. However, even if it is only 1/2 a stop, the noise cleans up much better than the 7d, amking the files easier to work with.

Here's a ISO 6400 shot from the 7d2:

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Have no idea why it was that high, but a pretty good example.

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