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Dec 13, 2014 19:16 |  #31

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The 580 has a built-in diffuser for that.

I assure you that placing a 580 less than a foot from the bounce surface, even with the wide angle diffuser down, will create a small light source on said bounce surface.


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Dec 13, 2014 19:45 |  #32

Well if you are a foot from the wall I can see it helping there however it still needs to bounce. I just wanted to say that because you said it creates a huge light source. This is not the diffuser. The walls and ceilings it bounces light off become the light source. We want to make sure the OP does think the diffuser itself is the large light source because as a stand alone it is no bigger than the bare flash.

The question now is will the OP be bouncing the flash a foot from the wall often.


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Dec 13, 2014 19:48 |  #33
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Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17330766 (external link)
I hit MQ on the posts then hit "post in thread" then on the left is the word "quote" click it and then multi quote.

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As for the real estate use, I have had to put the 580 so close to the wall or ceiling that bouncing could not create a big light source. The stofen throws light around everywhere so the light source is huge in comparison.

Thanks for the tips on multi-quoting. I got it to work.

I don't think your example makes any sense. Bouncing off a wall, even if the 580 is touching it, is going make a bigger source than a Stofen. I'll accept that the device works for your application, though. Perhaps I've just never come across a situation where I needed to 'throw light around everywhere.'


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Dec 13, 2014 19:51 |  #34
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Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17330811 (external link)
I assure you that placing a 580 less than a foot from the bounce surface, even with the wide angle diffuser down, will create a small light source on said bounce surface.

Relatively small, certainly. Hundreds of times bigger than the Stofen, gauranteed.


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Dec 13, 2014 19:54 |  #35

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17330860 (external link)
Thanks for the tips on multi-quoting. I got it to work.

I don't think your example makes any sense. Bouncing off a wall, even if the 580 is touching it, is going make a bigger source than a Stofen. I'll accept that the device works for your application, though. Perhaps I've just never come across a situation where I needed to 'throw light around everywhere.'

If you bounce a flash one foot from the spill from a bare flash will reach the ceiling bit I can see a little more getting there with the diffuser. It's what it is designed to do but I still would not use it because I decided to walk away from them.


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Dec 13, 2014 22:01 |  #36

Thank you guys for all your input. Wasn't expecting a lot of replies but believe me it has helped me very much. I research this a bit more and read information that this isn't good outdoors, waste of battery power and money as many have stated. Once again thank you all for the replies.




  
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Dec 13, 2014 23:08 |  #37
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I don't always want boucing. Sometimes I want a bare bulb. In those situations I slap (used to, anyway since I use monolights now) the StoFen on the flashgun and have my cake and eat it too.

Like with this photo:

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I used a 'bare bulb' (Canon EX430-II with the StoFen on) to the right of the barista, lower than her shoulder and a little behind her: the bare bulb gave me rim lighting on her, lit up the area behind the counter, and added a nice highlight on the curved ceiling. The light from an unmodified flashgun woulda been too directional. And as you can see, with a black ceiling and coloured (dark-coloured to boot) walls, I had no suitable sources to bounce light off of.

Also, bouncing the light softens it: I don't always want that. I love hard light and would like the ability to have a light source that spreads light in all directions —360°: the StoFen gives me that.

It really doesn't have to be an 'all or nothing' situation. As I said, the StoFen has its uses, however limited they might be. For the price and the space it takes in the bag, I'll take it with me always even if I don't use it. When the situation calls for it, I'm happy to have it. For that matter, I've spent money on other modifiers and I'm not using them all the time.

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Dec 13, 2014 23:42 |  #38

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I don't always want boucing. Sometimes I want a bare bulb. In those situations I slap (used to, anyway since I use monolights now) the StoFen on the flashgun and have my cake and eat it too.

Like with this photo:

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I used a 'bare bulb' (Canon EX430-II with the StoFen on) to the right of the barista, lower than her shoulder and a little behind her: the bare bulb gave me rim lighting on her, lit up the area behind the counter, and added a nice highlight on the curved ceiling. The light from an unmodified flashgun woulda been too directional. And as you can see, with a black ceiling and coloured (dark-coloured to boot) walls, I had no suitable sources to bounce light off of.

Also, bouncing the light softens it: I don't always want that. I love hard light and would like the ability to have a light source that spreads light in all directions —360°: the StoFen gives me that.

It really doesn't have to be an 'all or nothing' situation. As I said, the StoFen has its uses, however limited they might be. For the price and the space it takes in the bag, I'll take it with me always even if I don't use it. When the situation calls for it, I'm happy to have it. For that matter, I've spent money on other modifiers and I'm not using them all the time.

Probably would have got the same results without the StoFen, except it would have used less batteries.


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Dec 14, 2014 00:35 |  #39

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I don't always want boucing. Sometimes I want a bare bulb. In those situations I slap (used to, anyway since I use monolights now) the StoFen on the flashgun and have my cake and eat it too.

Yes, Stofen has its uses...to simulate 'bare bulb' shots, just like a studio flash without any reflector in place.
Hardly the universal lighting modifier that so many unknowing novices to lighting think it to be! Just as a toolkit has multiple screwdrivers and each has its best time and worst times of usage, the same can be said of Stofens and most every other light modifier!


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Dec 14, 2014 00:45 as a reply to  @ Archibald's post |  #40

Possibly but for the cost it really does not matter that much if you get a cheap one. As long as user knows what it was designed to do and what it can't do and feels it helps with creativity then so be it.

These forums are helpful to let people know that these devices do not let you get around the physics of light. Then they can make an educated purchase. GF made a few $$$ off me. I still do this day do not know why I had a cloudy and clear dome :oops: Seemed like a really good idea at one time.


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Dec 14, 2014 00:47 as a reply to  @ Alveric's post |  #41

Nice shot by the way. If I can't bounce I have no issues shooting direct flash. I just crank up the ISO.


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Dec 14, 2014 23:40 |  #42

Great example Alveric.

Excellent explanation Wilt.

Agree DP that the original sto-fen is as effective as any of the newcomers. And takes up less space than a quart take out container.

I've used stofen type light only a few time this year. But when it's called for there is nothing easier than slapping it atop a speedlight. I will say that I don't think I've ever used it with an on camera speedlight.


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Dec 15, 2014 00:19 |  #44

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