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Dec 15, 2014 10:27 |  #16

El Pedro wrote in post #17333252 (external link)
Which 400mm?

which 100-400mm ? :)


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Dec 15, 2014 10:30 as a reply to  @ post 17333746 |  #17

I think the choice between the EF 400mm f/5.6 vs. the old 100-400mm would be tough. Though everyone I've talked to who shoots wildlife in the telephoto ranges in tropical forest environments for either passion or for profit or for both generally say the same thing: the prime is probably a little sharper and definitely focuses faster, but they would choose the zoom over the prime.

Now, the choice between the prime and new 100-400mm II: this one is dead simple -- unequivocally, the new 100-400 II!


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Dec 15, 2014 10:31 |  #18

Now that I am clear, it makes the answer no easier!

The 400mm f/5.6 prime as you must know is the best for tracking flying birds.
The 100-400mm (mk I ) offers much more flexibility, not just for it's ability to zoom, but also for it's closer focus distance, and IS which can help when shutter speeds drop.

The obvious recommendation is go for flexibility,...

that said, Me? For a once in a lifetime trip where i want shots to be as good as they can get? I would (and do) take the prime every time. Actually, I take both every time. ;)


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Dec 15, 2014 10:38 |  #19

Sell your 400/5.6 and 100-400 and buy the new 100-400 II, then relax and not worry about which to take.


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Dec 15, 2014 10:39 |  #20

FEChariot wrote in post #17333778 (external link)
Sell your 400/5.6 and 100-400 and buy the new 100-400 II, then relax and not worry about which to take.

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Dec 15, 2014 11:17 |  #21

FEChariot wrote in post #17333778 (external link)
Sell your 400/5.6 and 100-400 and buy the new 100-400 II, then relax and not worry about which to take.


This MAY be the direction i am headed. The new MkII is in the mail right now.
I will sell the old 100-400mm pretty quick I am sure, but it may take a summers worth of convincing to get me to part with the prime!


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Dec 15, 2014 11:33 |  #22

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17333866 (external link)
This MAY be the direction i am headed. The new MkII is in the mail right now.
I will sell the old 100-400mm pretty quick I am sure, but it may take a summers worth of convincing to get me to part with the prime!

Bet it doesn't take long!


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Dec 15, 2014 14:08 |  #23

I'd also take the 5.6 prime. And something else...(100-400?)
The f/5.6 and no IS isnt a big of a deal with the newer dslr. One can crank up the iso and get exceptable shots.
But when my 100-400 II comes in I might change my mind. :)
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Dec 15, 2014 22:26 |  #24

Park Ranger wrote in post #17334209 (external link)
I'd also take the 5.6 prime. And something else...(100-400?)
The f/5.6 and no IS isnt a big of a deal with the newer dslr. One can crank up the iso and get exceptable shots.
But when my 100-400 II comes in I might change my mind. :)
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Dec 15, 2014 22:43 |  #25

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Should have been more specific: what I have are the Canon 400mm 1:5.6 L Ultrasonic. The other is Canon 100-400mm F/4.5 - 5.6 IS USM. As far as "type" of photography, as I originally mentioned: Bird Photography is my subject. Am returning to Costa Rica and below are a couple images from an earlier trip which is representative of what I will be looking to do. Some birds will be out in the open with decent lighting (like toucans and macaws) while others will be inside the rain forest where lighting will be more challenging. Hope this helps.

Heya,

Take the longest lens you have, with any variation of image stabilization, and take a tripod. In low light, like in dense canopy cover, the tripod will help a lot. If you're hand holding a lot, the IS will help a bit. You will be starving for light. Just like the photos you posted, where you were starving for light and had to either push ISO hard, or crop significantly.

So the 100-400L IS that you have would probably be a good choice. The 400L F5.6 prime would be more ideal for birds in flight in good light. But for lower light, canopy perched birds, the 100-400L is probably the way to go. Again, I'd try to take a tripod/monopod to assist in that low light.

That said, a bigger help will be to practice shooting at much higher ISO to keep higher shutter speeds and how to plan around high ISO usage, such as pushing ISO 6400 or more and using +1/3rd to +2/3rd exposure compensation, shooting RAW, and looking into having a better noise reduction work flow. You'll get a lot more out of shots if you're not constantly hoping for something sharp in the dark.

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Dec 16, 2014 03:31 |  #26

EF 100-400L II would be the best choice indeed. Highly recommended!

Old 100-400 or 400 5.6 prime? I would go for zoom. I have had them both.
EF 400 5.6L has pretty fast AF and good IQ but that's about it. Old EF 100-400L has almost similar IQ and fast enough AF for most situations, even for BIF photography. And it has IS and much shorter MFD. Thus, better than 400 5.6 prime for small birds and butterflies etc.

100-400L is a kind of "all-round" shotgun, while 400 prime is more like a sniper.


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Dec 16, 2014 04:27 |  #27

I do believe we are talking about the 400mm f/5.6 vs the 100-400 (any).

As other have said, I too can only suggest go for the 100-400.
Image quality wise there is not too much of a difference, yet the 100-400 is much more versatile, then the 400mm

IS is always handy, and the zoom too.
I know you are only interessed in birds, but having a zoom never hurts.


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Dec 16, 2014 04:41 |  #28

Locking zoom to 400mm, you can think about having EF 400 5.6L IS USM lens :)


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Dec 16, 2014 08:44 as a reply to  @ howiewu's post |  #29

Pecking on iPhone. So-fingers and brain sometimes run different speeds. Or-"never mind";)




  
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Dec 17, 2014 07:07 |  #30

Based on all the comments I've come to the conclusion that since I already have the 70-300mm L lens that I will take that one along with my 400mm.


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