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Buying first savage seamless, advice on headshot setup

 
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Dec 17, 2014 11:41 as a reply to  @ post 17337827 |  #16

Ive got 4 622c and I'm going to order the tx. I have 5 speedlites but 3 are 430ex which dont allow camera menu power control and the tx has more options for those.




  
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Dec 17, 2014 11:49 |  #17

Gonzo, are you using a grid spot on either of those? Something like that Opteka you showed me?




  
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Dec 17, 2014 11:57 as a reply to  @ digitalduck's post |  #18

Not on these. In the spot one the head was zoomed out all the way and inches away from the drop. You csn also make a tin foil snoot to shape background lights.




  
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Dec 17, 2014 16:50 |  #19

Thanks Gonzo, I was wondering, and this is going to sound so makeshift but if I didn’t have the 622C in time would it work to have the first 622c on camera and ON TOP of that a hot shoe with PC adapter on the 622c pass through.. then the other 622c on the speedlight. I have a long enough cable going to my strobe above me so even though ill eventually get that 622c TX, would that setup work and still fire same time?




  
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Dec 17, 2014 17:01 |  #20

digitalduck wrote in post #17338391 (external link)
Thanks Gonzo, I was wondering, and this is going to sound so makeshift but if I didn’t have the 622C in time would it work to have the first 622c on camera and ON TOP of that a hot shoe with PC adapter on the 622c pass through.. then the other 622c on the speedlight. I have a long enough cable going to my strobe above me so even though ill eventually get that 622c TX, would that setup work and still fire same time?

Does your strobe have an optical slave? if so just let the speedlite trigger it. But yes, that should work. You aren't planning on mixing ETTL and, manual here I presume. Did you have manual triggers before? If you did and still havw them you can also piggyback on the yn622c hotshoe.




  
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Dec 17, 2014 17:13 |  #21

Ahh nice the flashpoint moonlight says it does have a slave mode which ive never used... however it will be in an umbrella or most likely a softbox so it wouldn't see it would it? I didn't even think of that its a great idea to try at least.

Yeah ive had the 622c's for almost a year now but will need oen more quickly or have the slave mode work.. will def try tonight since my 9" seamless just showed up along wiht my new stands to replace the ones from the accident :)

by the way... with the new setup how do I set it to not include signature with every post?




  
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Dec 17, 2014 20:30 |  #22

One more setup using three Speedlights:
430EXII in the reflective umbrella as main light, triggered with Cactus V5. No gel.
YN560II in the shoot-through umbrella for a little kicker/rim light. Optically triggered, orange gel.
YN560II on the floor, aimed up for a background light. I don't remember what the zoom was set to . just enough to make the pattern you see. Optically triggered, orange gel.

The subject stands where the colorchecker is sitting on the floor.
These aren't typical headshots - it was for a Halloween show - but most of the setup should still hold fine. If you want a standard ratio, a less contrasty look with standard main/fill lights, just move the kicker light around to act as fill instead.
The background is black-painted plywood on the outside of the air handler ... gotta work with what I have :) Your gray seamless should work approximately the same way.

One more note: By standing really far away and zooming in with the 70-200, I was able to make that small 4x8 plywood work well enough for a full-sized background, even with the subjects standing several feet away to get the needed separation.

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Dec 18, 2014 01:39 |  #23

nathancarter wrote in post #17338668 (external link)
One more setup using three Speedlights:
430EXII in the reflective umbrella as main light, triggered with Cactus V5. No gel.
YN560II in the shoot-through umbrella for a little kicker/rim light. Optically triggered, orange gel.
YN560II on the floor, aimed up for a background light. I don't remember what the zoom was set to . just enough to make the pattern you see. Optically triggered, orange gel.

The subject stands where the colorchecker is sitting on the floor.
These aren't typical headshots - it was for a Halloween show - but most of the setup should still hold fine. If you want a standard ratio, a less contrasty look with standard main/fill lights, just move the kicker light around to act as fill instead.
The background is black-painted plywood on the outside of the air handler ... gotta work with what I have :) Your gray seamless should work approximately the same way.

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Dec 18, 2014 02:26 |  #24

How far is the subject from main light? 4 feet at the most?

Is the kicker light going to affect the backgraound as well?

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Dec 18, 2014 08:57 |  #25

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How far is the subject from main light? 4 feet at the most?

Is the kicker light going to affect the backgraound as well?

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Yeah, maybe 3 to 5 feet. if you see where the colorchecker is sitting on the wood floor, that's where the subject stands; I had put a little piece of blue tape on the floor for their mark. I adjusted the main light on-the-fly (position, height, power) based on the subject's height, clothing, and makeup. What worked nicely for a white fur coat or stark white face makeup, didn't work as well for a light-eating black corduroy jacket.

Since a shoot-through umbrella splashes light everywhere, I'm sure it's affecting the background a little bit. You can see where it's also lighting up the gray concrete ceiling, and the silver parts of the ductwork, and reflecting back onto the white wall. But I think it's relatively insignificant compared to the dedicated background light.


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Dec 18, 2014 14:41 |  #26

Like all of the pics guys and great advice. Question, so I have my strobe and 568exii for separation.. what I would like to throw in the mix perhaps would be a hair light which would require another light. Since this would just be a hair light could I go for a budget YN speedlight flash or a lesser version of what i have already the 300w Flashpoint budget monolight. I would like a strip light but have seen that any smaller softbox can work..




  
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Dec 18, 2014 14:45 as a reply to  @ digitalduck's post |  #27

A bare speedlite can work for a hair light.




  
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Dec 18, 2014 15:08 |  #28

gonzogolf wrote in post #17340118 (external link)
A bare speedlite can work for a hair light.

Agreed.

My only concern is that can be a little hassle if you're using an assembly-line setup to get a lot of headshots in a very short period of time.
- On dark matte black hair (e.g. black dreadlocks) you may need to turn it up a little bit
- On a shiny bald head you'll need to turn it down or otherwise diffuse it to reduce a specular hotspot on the ol' melon
- On really poofy/wispy hair you'll need to turn it down a bit to minimize a bright "halo" effect.

For 80% of people, a bare Speedlight will be just fine.


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Dec 18, 2014 15:08 |  #29

Thanks Gonzo and Nathan!
Yeah ill need to pick up a separate one.. while I wish I could forgo and just use my current speedlight I know i need another one and will eventually increase my quality of lights but for now, Yongnuo 560 II it is lol currently $59 at amazon




  
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Dec 22, 2014 08:46 |  #30

So i wonder, i used my seamless this weekend, worked great will post pics tonight. Would it be overkill to use a seperator light for background and a hairlight? I ask because i have the speedlight for thr background, just have to oreer a seperate stand and thst small grid and was sure if ordering a 560ii for example would be a benefit ir too much for headshots specifically. I know its probably a matter of preference.

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