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7d2 - a few pics - thoughts

 
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Dec 18, 2014 09:27 |  #1

These pics are SOOC, loaded to hard drive then uploaded here. Shot in jpeg. All were Ai servo, single point, Case 4 (-2 tracking), focus priority.
What say you regard to image quality, crispness etc...


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Dec 18, 2014 09:37 |  #2

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Dec 18, 2014 15:41 |  #3

Can't see all the pics?
Color on #1 that I do see is nice. Pic looks blurry/soft. it's definitely not crisp. Where is focus point? Shutterspeed? Lens?

Actually I can now see #2 in both posts...soft.


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Dec 18, 2014 16:01 as a reply to  @ 8612images's post |  #4

Any particular reason they were all shot in portrait orientation?
Personally I think they could all do with tighter crops.


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Dec 18, 2014 16:25 |  #5

Thank guys.

Randy - So what you see here, you tend to this they are soft? 1st 2 - SS 1/1250 and 1/1600 2nd 2 - 1/3200 1/4000 70-200 ll w/1.4x

John - Thanks for the toughts. I was looking more for opinions on the overall image quality. These are not pp'd in any way. Soccer I tend to shoot both portrait and landscape depending on the person/play


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Dec 18, 2014 20:27 as a reply to  @ 8612images's post |  #6

Hi Steve--

Your pics look good from here--nice action. I like the header shots--especially the facial expressions.

Not that I'm some pro or anything...so don't take this as a criticism...but I like to click through CNN's "Sports pics of the week" for inspiration. When I look at these pics I try to pay attention to what "moment" was captured, as opposed to the subject of the shot. Capturing the best "moment" is often what makes an otherwise good photo great. With regards to the header shots, would the best "moment" be the moment the ball squishes against their head, sending sweat out in a spray that catches the light? (I've seen shots like this on CNN, and they are fantastic).

Also, when posting pics about focus it would be helpful to see what you focused *on.* Take a screen grab at 100% zoom in DPP and turn on the focus point display. Showing the focus point that will show us what your intent was (provided you weren't using Zone or All, which will show what the camera chose as the focus point). If your intent was to focus on the soccer ball (for example) but the camera focused elsewhere, it will provide a good starting point to help diagnose what may have gone wrong.

Glad you're getting some good light to shoot in...nuthin' but clouds and gray for me right now...

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Dec 18, 2014 21:32 as a reply to  @ ppmax's post |  #7

You didn't link to originals or provide full exit.
However, what are you seeing? Where did your active focus point actually land on each? Where do you see the sharpest / focal plane in each?

Look at the grass, The focal plane is in front of the player on image 1,3 and 4 (in the low res image, the player in 4 in on the edge of the dof). In 2, I can't tell but my bet is that you weren't quite steady enough or has IS on and didn't let it settle giving slight motion.




  
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Dec 19, 2014 10:18 |  #8

Have to learn how to post the shot with the AF point .... :)

IS not on in the shots. Looking over the shots from the weekend (about 500) and the focus point per DPP, the majority hit the targeted player. Now some hit shoulder, hand, chest, lower face etc...
Sequence shots - none were consistently focused. A couple stills of players not in action - in focus. Can't really put a finger on it yet. Just don't see the AF working as well as the 5d3
I notice 1/1250 is too slow to freeze action on this camera more so than I have seen on the other canons I have shot.


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Dec 19, 2014 10:46 |  #9

8612images wrote in post #17341317 (external link)
I notice 1/1250 is too slow to freeze action on this camera more so than I have seen on the other canons I have shot.

How could the same shutter speed possibly differ from one camera to the next when it comes to subject motion?




  
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Dec 19, 2014 10:54 |  #10

Loose the TC and they will be better. I know you will have less reach but shoot when subject is closer to you.


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Dec 19, 2014 10:58 |  #11

Looks about the same as my 40d


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Dec 19, 2014 10:59 |  #12

Chris - possibly just perception, never noticed it before on other shots

I've shot with TC on crops and FF for years and never an issue. If the 7d2 is finicky enough that I shouldn't use a TC, I won't be able to keep it.


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Dec 19, 2014 11:00 |  #13

frugivore wrote in post #17341375 (external link)
How could the same shutter speed possibly differ from one camera to the next when it comes to subject motion?

Less about freezing action, more about freezing it at the pixel level. I've noticed the same thing compared to either my 1Dx or 1D4. In addition to the 1/(fl*1.6) rule, I have to add another 1/3-2/3 stop of shutter speed. If 1/800 worked on the 1Dx and 1D4 with a 600 (which in general it does for birds with blur on the wings), then for the 7D2 I would goal for 1/1600 or higher.


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Dec 19, 2014 11:16 |  #14

huntersdad wrote in post #17341408 (external link)
Less about freezing action, more about freezing it at the pixel level. I've noticed the same thing compared to either my 1Dx or 1D4. In addition to the 1/(fl*1.6) rule, I have to add another 1/3-2/3 stop of shutter speed. If 1/800 worked on the 1Dx and 1D4 with a 600 (which in general it does for birds with blur on the wings), then for the 7D2 I would goal for 1/1600 or higher.

Thanks, that makes sense. If the crop sensor has double the pixel density, then movement that would be captured across one pixel on a full frame (resulting in frozen subject), would instead be captured across two pixels on a crop sensor (resolutions in a blur). Does that make sense? I think Canon has talked about this in one article or another, I seem to recall.




  
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Dec 19, 2014 15:29 |  #15

That does make sense.

I think I'm concluding that this one does AF consistently. There may be some tendency to front focus, but doesn't seem to occur all the time in Ai Servo? MFA is not solution there correct?


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