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Dec 20, 2014 11:42 |  #4996

BrandonSi wrote in post #17342876 (external link)
No experience with the 135FD 2.5, but the FDn 2.8 is fantastic on the a7R. I always seem to have trouble with FD lenses (vs FDn). Corner smearing, severe edge softness.. not sure if it's my adapter (metabones) or something about the FD lenses.

I've got an FD 24 2.8 I'm very seriously considering tossing in the dumpster, it's that bad.. :(

FD glasses are not all coated, however all FDn's have some coating. FD SSC was where it first began coating lenses and advertising heavily (super spectrum coating). After the advertising wore off, it became standard practice to coat lenses, consumer versions used single coats, higher end used multi coating, hence I strictly stick with FDn glass to reduce the guesswork, and from my experience, it's true. I have 3 or 4 older FD glass (my brother's junk) and all my stuff is FDn. Lighter, smaller, better optics..... cant ask for much more.

For my wide, I'm more fond of the FDn 28mm F2.8 than the 24, but more because I prefer that focal length. The very very extreme corners arent sharp (however not smeared either) at any aperture, but maybe 97-99% of the whole frame gets real sharp for landscapes. IQ is pretty much exactly like the original EF 28 F2.8, EF 24 F2.8, and EF 35 F2. All around that ballpark.


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Dec 20, 2014 13:00 |  #4997

Charlie wrote in post #17343058 (external link)
FD glasses are not all coated, however all FDn's have some coating. FD SSC was where it first began coating lenses and advertising heavily (super spectrum coating). After the advertising wore off, it became standard practice to coat lenses, consumer versions used single coats, higher end used multi coating, hence I strictly stick with FDn glass to reduce the guesswork, and from my experience, it's true. I have 3 or 4 older FD glass (my brother's junk) and all my stuff is FDn. Lighter, smaller, better optics..... cant ask for much more.

For my wide, I'm more fond of the FDn 28mm F2.8 than the 24, but more because I prefer that focal length. The very very extreme corners arent sharp (however not smeared either) at any aperture, but maybe 97-99% of the whole frame gets real sharp for landscapes. IQ is pretty much exactly like the original EF 28 F2.8, EF 24 F2.8, and EF 35 F2. All around that ballpark.

Yeah, I agree.. FDn just seems to provide better results. My 24 2.8 is actually an SSC but still gives me trouble :shrug:.. who knows. I've since replaced it with a couple different items.. I've got 17-40 / 24L II / 24-70 F4 IS on EF mount, a Yashica 28 (YUS), and I'm keeping my eye on the OM Zuiko 28 prices as well.

Lots of options out there, for us Sony owners. :)


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Dec 20, 2014 13:04 |  #4998

Charlie wrote in post #17343058 (external link)
FD glasses are not all coated, however all FDn's have some coating. FD SSC was where it first began coating lenses and advertising heavily (super spectrum coating). ...

I think all Canon FD lenses are coated.
SC were the first FD lenses with "Spectra Coating" in their name, but even the lenses before this where AR coated, but this was not used in the lens naming.
SSC with the additional "Super" was a bit later.


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Dec 20, 2014 13:35 |  #4999

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Dec 20, 2014 21:29 |  #5000

xpfloyd wrote in post #17342572 (external link)
Interesting looking lens.

My canon FD 135 f/2.5 arrived today (adapter has not arrived yet ). Wasnt expecting it to be so heavy! It's almost the same weight as my 135L. Thinking about ordering another adapter as the delivery date was from 2nd January on the one I ordered and I don't want to wait that long

Indeed, I'm anxious to get an adapter for it :)

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He also showed me a bunch of his old camera collection he'd forgotten about... I felt like a kid in a toy store. No pics yet (need to process them), but I played around with his Nikkor 35/2, 55/2.8 macro and 50/1.4.

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Dec 20, 2014 22:25 |  #5001

navydoc wrote in post #17342942 (external link)
I've enjoyed both your Disneyland shots Carlo. Gotta love the DR of the Sony sensor too. Since this sub-forum is for images taken using non-Sony lenses, would you mind either including that info in your post or including the metadata? By going to your Flickr page, I do see that you used the Canon 16-35 f4.

Thanks!

And I'll make sure to include my set-up in my posts here going forward. Never finished building my gear list here, as some of the newer lenses (like the 16-35 f4 IS) aren't in the system.

That said, the first shot (monorail) was shot with the 16-35 F4 IS...the second shot (castle) was shot with the 24-70 II.


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Dec 21, 2014 03:26 |  #5002

Charlie wrote in post #17342824 (external link)
It's way too big, and my experiences with that lens has been poor. flares badly, low contrast. It's also broken now, aperture got stuck.

the FDn 135F2.8 was much better all around and tiny in comparison. Even the FDn 135F2 was considerably smaller, and is the only one that gets close to the 135L in optics.

I see you have a 100F4 Macro in your collection. Do you have a link to any images taken with this lens and the Sony A7.


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Dec 21, 2014 04:04 |  #5003

Conducted a little AF speed test there. FE55 on my A7R and 35 IS on my 5D3. Last week I thought my A7R was hunting a lot in lower light around the house so wanted to compare it to my 5D3 (was away from my cameras all week at work)

Surprisingly the A7R felt as quick in lower light as my 5D3. Outdoors the 5D3 seems quicker to lock but only slightly. In low light indoors I think the A7R seems longer sometimes due to the way in hunts then locks whereas the 5D3 doesnt hunt but stalls ever so slightly before snapping into lock. This makes it seem like the 5D3 was faster I think. The test wasnt technical I suppose, I was just picking up one camera and locking on to various things around the room at various distances then picking up the next camera and doing the same from the same spot to the same targets. I done this a few times and the A7R is definitely not as slow as I had it in my head. This is just for one shot focus mode. 5D3 is obviously better at servo focus. It wasnt until I went to a very low light setting that there was a noticeable difference with the 5D3 being ahead


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Dec 21, 2014 06:44 |  #5004

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Dec 21, 2014 08:41 |  #5005

xpfloyd wrote in post #17344007 (external link)
Conducted a little AF speed test there. FE55 on my A7R and 35 IS on my 5D3. Last week I thought my A7R was hunting a lot in lower light around the house so wanted to compare it to my 5D3 (was away from my cameras all week at work)

Surprisingly the A7R felt as quick in lower light as my 5D3. Outdoors the 5D3 seems quicker to lock but only slightly. In low light indoors I think the A7R seems longer sometimes due to the way in hunts then locks whereas the 5D3 doesnt hunt but stalls ever so slightly before snapping into lock. This makes it seem like the 5D3 was faster I think. The test wasnt technical I suppose, I was just picking up one camera and locking on to various things around the room at various distances then picking up the next camera and doing the same from the same spot to the same targets. I done this a few times and the A7R is definitely not as slow as I had it in my head. This is just for one shot focus mode. 5D3 is obviously better at servo focus. It wasnt until I went to a very low light setting that there was a noticeable difference with the 5D3 being ahead

this echos what I saw with my XT1 before I sold my 5Diii. If feels slow in low light but once you put it side by side the 5Diii it was actually faster. Weird. I did my test with the 23mm on the xt1 and 35mm 1.4 on the 5Diii then the 56 on the fuji and 85 1.8 on the canon. Both times the fuji was faster. What I will say though is while the 5Diii lost with static objects in really dark situations it's ISOs were cleaner (why I'm switching to sony for FF again), but also at a wedding reception the 5Diii will win in low light. I never tested them side by side but I've shot enough weddings to know I was struggling with the xt1 where the 5Diii was always fine. This is AF in low light where you're then popping a flash. One of the big differences there is I was using the 16-35ii on the 5Diii and the 23mm on the fuji. You'd think the "faster" lens would AF faster but I think the thinner DOF made it worse? The 16-35ii could snap into focus in stupidly low light. Then the flash makes up for it anyway...

(one thing I'm considering to solve this problem this year is using a video light, less flashing and then AF gets to use it as well)


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Dec 21, 2014 10:30 |  #5006

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I see you have a 100F4 Macro in your collection. Do you have a link to any images taken with this lens and the Sony A7.

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Dec 21, 2014 11:21 |  #5007

I'm definitely seeing more of what people were complaining about with needing a faster than usual shutter-speed to prevent camera shake with the a7R... I keep thinking it's a lens issue or I missed focus, but then I'll randomly get really sharp shots with the same lens and a very clear area of focus... I'll for sure keep practicing, but that a7S is looking more and more attractive.

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Dec 21, 2014 11:35 |  #5008

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this echos what I saw with my XT1 before I sold my 5Diii. If feels slow in low light but once you put it side by side the 5Diii it was actually faster. Weird. I did my test with the 23mm on the xt1 and 35mm 1.4 on the 5Diii then the 56 on the fuji and 85 1.8 on the canon. Both times the fuji was faster. What I will say though is while the 5Diii lost with static objects in really dark situations it's ISOs were cleaner (why I'm switching to sony for FF again), but also at a wedding reception the 5Diii will win in low light. I never tested them side by side but I've shot enough weddings to know I was struggling with the xt1 where the 5Diii was always fine. This is AF in low light where you're then popping a flash. One of the big differences there is I was using the 16-35ii on the 5Diii and the 23mm on the fuji. You'd think the "faster" lens would AF faster but I think the thinner DOF made it worse? The 16-35ii could snap into focus in stupidly low light. Then the flash makes up for it anyway...

(one thing I'm considering to solve this problem this year is using a video light, less flashing and then AF gets to use it as well)

Further to what I said earlier, I noticed this afternoon that things change when its non static subjects. The Sony starts to run into issues when the light gets lower and the subject isnt still. I can live with the limitations though


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Dec 21, 2014 11:36 |  #5009

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I'm definitely seeing more of what people were complaining about with needing a faster than usual shutter-speed to prevent camera shake with the a7R... I keep thinking it's a lens issue or I missed focus, but then I'll randomly get really sharp shots with the same lens and a very clear area of focus... I'll for sure keep practicing, but that a7S is looking more and more attractive.

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Dec 21, 2014 11:52 |  #5010

xpfloyd wrote in post #17344475 (external link)
I try and stick to 1/2xfocal length minimum for that reason

Yeah, I usually have no problem with the 1xfocal length rule, but it isn't working out for this one...


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