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Just got my new Efs 10-18. Seems to be causing an issue with my 60D's auto power off feature.

 
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Dec 25, 2014 13:31 |  #1

Just got my Efs 10-18 for Christmas. Its seems to be working well except for a quirky issue. I'm using it with my 60D. I have the 60D Auto Power off feature set to 1 minute. With my other lenses, both Canon and non Canon, the camera goes to sleep in 60 seconds regardless of what is on the LCD at the time. With my 10-18 mounted, the auto power off only seems to work if I'm in the shooting functions screen. If I'm in the menus, or viewing an image, auto power off does not take effect. I'm wondering if that's a result of the fly by wire nature of the STM motor. Has any one else noticed this issue? I can do a camera reset but loathe to do so just yet since I have so many custom settings. If this is normal, I can work around it, but I want to make sure this is not a lens defect.


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Dec 25, 2014 14:01 |  #2

i know it's a different lens, but my 18-135STM doesn't have this problem, it powers off at the same rate as other lenses...i wonder if turning off the AF, or IS would change anything...if so you may be able to figure out what's causing the delay


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Dec 25, 2014 14:10 |  #3

DreDaze wrote in post #17350404 (external link)
i know it's a different lens, but my 18-135STM doesn't have this problem, it powers off at the same rate as other lenses...i wonder if turning off the AF, or IS would change anything...if so you may be able to figure out what's causing the delay

I'll try turning AF and IS off. Its not what I'd call a delay. Other than the function screen and additionally the level screen, the auto power off does not seem to work at all. I discovered it when I put the camera down while viewing an image and realized an hour later that the image was still displaying on the screen. Perhaps the issue is specifically related to my 60D.


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Dec 25, 2014 14:28 |  #4

DreDaze wrote in post #17350404 (external link)
i know it's a different lens, but my 18-135STM doesn't have this problem, it powers off at the same rate as other lenses...i wonder if turning off the AF, or IS would change anything...if so you may be able to figure out what's causing the delay

Thanks for the suggestion. Its the AF switch. When AF is on, the auto power off feature only works in the function screen and the level screen. When AF is off the auto power off takes effect in all situations including being in the menu and when viewing an image. The only question now is whether that is normal for this lens on a 60D or whether there is a possible defect. I also have back button focusing on. I will reset to the shutter button activating focus to see if that relates to this issue.


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Dec 25, 2014 14:54 |  #5

OK. It must be the fly by wire STM that interfering with the camera function. When I use back button focusing and have the custom function C.fnIV, AF and metering buttons, set to 1 where the shutter button only starts metering, than the auto power off does not work when viewing an image or a menu on the LCD. If I have that custom function set to 0 so the shutter button performs metering and AF Start, the auto power off works as expected regardless of whats on the LCD screen. Bizarre behavior. I wonder if others can check to see whether their bodies perform the same and whether its specific to the 60D or works like that on all newer EOS crop bodies like the 70D and 7DII. I wonder too whether all STM lenses perform the same way. Its possible its just a 60D/BBF issue with this lens.


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Dec 25, 2014 15:34 |  #6

Interesting, thanks for posing the question. It has implications for battery life if the power off feature is not acting as expected. I typically shoot events with two bodies, and use the 7D/10-18 combination sporadically on any given day. I would hate to find a dead battery...

I have my 7D set to back button focus and power off to 1 minute. I leave the display off, until I need to check exposure or review a shot. The camera turns itself off after 1 minute.

If I have an image on the screen, it does not turn itself off, although I have not tried this with another lens.

With the control screen active (info button), the camera powers off after one 1 minute.

With the quick control screen active, the screen turns off and the camera powers off 1 minute later.

It looks like a 60D issue, or at least not a 7D issue?

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Dec 25, 2014 15:57 |  #7

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Interesting, thanks for posing the question. It has implications for battery life if the power off feature is not acting as expected. I typically shoot events with two bodies, and use the 7D/10-18 combination sporadically on any given day. I would hate to find a dead battery...

I have my 7D set to back button focus and power off to 1 minute. I leave the display off, until I need to check exposure or review a shot. The camera turns itself off after 1 minute.

If I have an image on the screen, it does not turn itself off, although I have not tried this with another lens.

With the control screen active (info button), the camera powers off after one 1 minute.

With the quick control screen active, the screen turns off and the camera powers off 1 minute later.

It looks like a 60D issue, or at least not a 7D issue?

-Brian

You indicate that when you have an image on the screen it doesn't turn itself off when you have the 10-18mm mounted with BBF, correct? That seems to be the same issue I am seeing on my 60D with the 10-18mm mounted. With my non STM lenses from Canon and Sigma, and using BBF, my camera WILL turn off in one minute, even while viewing an image. With the 10-18 mounted, it does not turn off when viewing an image. If I then disable BBF then the camera WILL turn off in a minute even when viewing an image with the 10-18 mounted. Its inconsistent behavior based on weather the shutter button is set to Metering and AF start, or just to metering when using BBF.


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Dec 25, 2014 16:13 |  #8

With my EF-s 24 (STM) and an image on the screen, the camera does turn off. Same with a 135 f2 (USM). May be lens specific, as it only seems to happen with the 10-18. I never leave an image displayed, or anything else until I need it, so it should not be too much of an issue. I make it a habit to half press the shutter button when I finish reviewing to get back to shooting mode. I suspect your lens is fine, but can't say with certainty....

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Dec 25, 2014 16:27 |  #9

LARAB wrote in post #17350521 (external link)
With my EF-s 24 (STM) and an image on the screen, the camera does turn off. Same with a 135 f2 (USM). May be lens specific, as it only seems to happen with the 10-18. I never leave an image displayed, or anything else until I need it, so it should not be too much of an issue. I make it a habit to half press the shutter button when I finish reviewing to get back to shooting mode. I suspect your lens is fine, but can't say with certainty....

-Brian

So it appears that I'm not the only one. That makes me feel somewhat less concerned that there is an issue with my 10-18. Now that I understand its behavior I can live with it and easily work around it. I will call Canon though for their take on it. Other than that I'm impressed with what this lens can do at such a low price point.


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Dec 25, 2014 18:14 |  #10

It is a fun lens, and as you said a decent price point. I had a 10-22 for a couple of years and while not quite as sharp, the 10-18 holds its own. Enjoy it.

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Dec 25, 2014 19:49 |  #11

Firmware up to date?




  
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Dec 25, 2014 21:59 |  #12

John from PA wrote in post #17350724 (external link)
Firmware up to date?

Yes. 1.1.1.


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