Scott .... Woot!!? Mine are waayyy warmer than my strip boxes. If I shoot at 5600k the light from the Deep Octa is almost orange, whereas the strip boxes are nice and neutral. Hey on a positive note, my folks are in Vegas at the moment!! So I got them to order some Matthews bits from Adorama and have them mailed to the house they're staying in. No more grinding down those crappy Avenger pins............