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Jan 23, 2015 18:50 |  #16

MakisM1 wrote in post #17396214 (external link)
Also, you need to understand what post-processing is done in-camera and what you need to do yourself. A SOOC jpg can come in different flavors, based on the profile you have selected (including some home-made you may choose to make).

Where do you suggest a good place to start is for homemade JPEG sooc?


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Jan 23, 2015 19:43 |  #17

Frodge wrote in post #17396948 (external link)
Where do you suggest a good place to start is for homemade JPEG sooc?

You can copy a Standard to the custom profile and then play with sharpness, contrast, skin color. Canon as quite a few ready made ones, and an editor to make your own. Haven't gone that far myself.

http://www.canon.co.jp​/imaging/picturestyle/​editor/ (external link)


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Jan 23, 2015 19:45 |  #18

Frodge, I'm not sure, but I think you're asking what profile is a good one to use "in camera". I like to use "Faithful".

Pardon me if I missed the question.

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Jan 23, 2015 21:08 |  #19
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Intheswamp wrote in post #17397009 (external link)
Frodge, I'm not sure, but I think you're asking what profile is a good one to use "in camera". I like to use "Faithful".

Pardon me if I missed the question.

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You missed, but only by a little. There are downloadable Custom Profiles available. Perhaps someone else knows where. I have downloaded profiles called Emerald, Autumn Hues, and P-Snapshot. You install them in the 1, 2, & 3 User Defined Profiles. Or, as mentioned above, you can create your own. I tried messing with it a few years ago. I prefer to shoot raw and work from there in LightRoom.


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Jan 24, 2015 07:36 |  #20

Thanks for the clarification on the profiles. I shoot RAW+jpg and usually edit only the RAW file. I need to further my education and go to RAW-only. I think for now I'll stick with Faithful, no need to hang that learning curve if I'm trying to stop saving in-camera jpegs. :)

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Jan 24, 2015 08:32 as a reply to  @ Intheswamp's post |  #21
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I started out with digital about 5 years ago. I tried JPG for a while but was never able to get the results I could get using raw. With a little bit of practice, it becomes natural and you know what to do just by looking at the shots. Raw is just easier to work with, once you get used to it.


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Jan 24, 2015 08:38 |  #22

I shoot a Custom Profile based on the standard, but with Sharpening cranked up and Contrast up one notch. Skin Tones -1.

The first year I was shooting the 60D I was invited by a friend to shoot his children's music recital. Low light, not much space... I decided to use Faithful for the first time. I couldn't get critical focus with any of my lenses (EF 50 f1.8, EF 70-200 f2.8II or EFS 18-200). I freaked out, since my friend was depending on me... After a lot of chimping, I settled on the EF 50...

Brought home a bunch of photos and a big cloud of doubt. Going through PP, a little bit of sharpening and a custom Darktable profile did the trick.

A lot of people use Faithful or Neutral to shoot for the histogram and I don't object to this. I shoot for the perfect AF, and for this I need sharpening and contrast. The effect on the histogram is minimal and well within what I can do with the RAW in Darktable.

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I agree with Gerry. N(0,0,0,0) is best for ETTR, which is best for getting the most out of Lightroom.


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Jan 24, 2015 09:46 |  #24

MakisM1 wrote in post #17397619 (external link)
I shoot for the perfect AF, and for this I need sharpening and contrast.

AF doesn't care about the picture style you use. You may do, when you look at the result on the screen, but next shot with AF will be the same, regardless of whether you thought the previous one looked good or not on the screen.


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Jan 24, 2015 09:57 |  #25

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AF doesn't care about the picture style you use. You may do, when you look at the result on the screen, but next shot with AF will be the same, regardless of whether you thought the previous one looked good or not on the screen.

I chimp to see whether the AF was on the spot or whether I need to try again. The AF may not care, but you can either guide it, or repeat. Minute changes in contrast can change the behavior of the 'uncaring' AF.


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Jan 24, 2015 10:25 as a reply to  @ MakisM1's post |  #26

Except contrast adjustments done through picture system are applied after the picture is taken. autofocus does not use any information from pictures styles when focusing.


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mrfixitx wrote in post #17397748 (external link)
Except contrast adjustments done through picture system are applied after the picture is taken. autofocus does not use any information from pictures styles when focusing.

I believe Gerry means that with the contrast and sharpness cranked up, he can see better whether or not the AF has done its job to his liking. I shoot raw, and crank up the sharpening when I am in using the back LCD to determine focus hits/misses. It works. But you are right, it has no effect of AF performance. It just allows you to better see the AF results.


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Jan 24, 2015 10:41 |  #28

Yep, I do the same thing Gerry S(7,1,1,0).:-)

To everyone who's saying "Contrast doesn't affect AF":

He's not saying that it does. He's just saying that it optimizes the on-camera preview so that he can check at 100% magnification on the LCD TO SEE IF THE FOCUS IS PERFECT and if not then reshoot. The RAW file remains unaffected.


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Jan 24, 2015 11:07 as a reply to  @ rrblint's post |  #29

this is a good idea that i had not considered. It is especially nice as my eye sight is starting to fade with age.

do you need to shoot RAW + JPG or is the picture style applied to the small preview file used by the camera even if shooting RAW only?


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Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17397791 (external link)
this is a good idea that i had not considered. It is especially nice as my eye sight is starting to fade with age.

do you need to shoot RAW + JPG or is the picture style applied to the small preview file used by the camera even if shooting RAW only?

No need to shoot RAW+JPEG. RAW-only is fine as the LCD preview uses the camera settings for display, even though the actual RAW file remains unaffected.


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