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Jan 29, 2015 17:03 |  #16

An interesting article, Todd. But that would imply that newspaper, sports and even event photographers are, for the most part, not photographers.

I think a better distinction is snapshooter versus amateur versus professional photographer. But even as I try to distinguish the latter two there are examples that defy categorization.

A snapshooter is someone who does little more than look through the viewfinder and press the button. These people can sometimes produce wonderful photographs, but that outcome is coincidental.

An amateur photographer is someone who has some understanding of how to use and control his gear and the subject to produce a desired result. The result might not always be successful, but the amateur at least puts some thought into the capture. An amateur may occasionally get paid for his or her work, but does not rely on photography to generate any significant portion of his or her income.

A professional photographer is one who relies on their skills and experience in photography to produce work that earns them a significant portion of their income on a regular basis. You and I might not feel their work is of professional caliber, but if customers are willing to pay for their work on an ongoing basis, then for better or worse they are a professional photographer.


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Jan 29, 2015 17:09 |  #17

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17406107 (external link)
true enough. I just feel it used to be that 'photography' meant more than just taking a photo without any meaning behind it or any composition or thought. .

and you have just described pure photography perfectly and that is considered an art form which is decades old




  
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Jan 29, 2015 17:09 |  #18

I think you have to turn the knob to the "real photographer" setting.




  
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Jan 29, 2015 17:09 |  #19

Not really, I think any photo can be art. Even photos of girls basketball, documentary, street candids, etc.. It's the thought that you put into the photograph that sets it apart from just "taking photos".




  
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Jan 29, 2015 17:16 |  #20

Todd Lambert wrote in post #17406136 (external link)
Not really, I think any photo can be art. Even photos of girls basketball, documentary, street candids, etc.. It's the thought that you put into the photograph that sets it apart from just "taking photos".


And make it B&W. To be art, it has to be B&W. It can be a crap photo, but make it B&W and its art.

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Jan 29, 2015 17:46 |  #21

I think using the phrase "professional photography(er)" is largely a marketing tool used to instill trust and confidence in the consumer. Unlike other occupations, there is no coursework or certification that earns you the official, legally recognized title of being a "professional" photographer. Anybody can call themselves a professional photographer. You can find some people that create AMAZING images and don't call themselves professionals, likewise, there are people who produce crap and appoint themselves the title of professional photographer.


Personally, it doesn't make a difference to me what somebody decides to call themselves. The way I see it, if a person presents a representative sample of their work, and a client hires them as their photographer knowing what they are getting, then its a win-win situation for everybody except the guy who didn't get hired. Some will disagree with me on this, but it really bugs me when other photographers chastise the MWAC (mom with a camera) for destroying the business of photography. I think it's an absolute cop-out. It would be like Mercedes-Benz complaining about Hyundai for offering an inferior product at a lower price-point. The same can be said about the local handy-man who competes with the carpenter who has 25yrs experience, or the 15yo kid who is mowing lawns in the neighborhood competing with landscapers. Like any other business, there will always be competition.



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Jan 29, 2015 17:53 |  #22

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I think you have to turn the knob to the "real photographer" setting.

I told one of my friends that the 'P' mode was p for 'professional'


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Jan 29, 2015 17:57 |  #23

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And make it B&W. To be art, it has to be B&W. It can be a crap photo, but make it B&W and its art.

;-)a

However there is one thing, which is that I see in color. Do you not? I hear dogs see in black and white are you a dog? When I look at this I see a totally unrealistic representation of reality as I see it. Why don't people understand that human beings see in color and black and white far from being artistic is just a depature from reality
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very amusing use of critique of the great photographers i do wonder how communities would react if they popped up on photo sharing sites as unknowns today .




  
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Jan 29, 2015 18:01 |  #24

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Jan 29, 2015 18:23 as a reply to  @ urbanfreestyle's post |  #25

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Jan 29, 2015 18:43 |  #26

What I look for, when viewing shots that others have taken, is whether or not any feeling or emotion has been imbedded into the photograph.

There are some who own a camera, determines that a particular situation/scene/person is visually appealing to them and they use the camera to "attempt" to capture that feeling or emotion. A certain number of that group convey this feeling/emotion, some get close and others snap off a shot.

The "photographers" don't have to explain what is in the scene - the viewer "gets" it. In the case of the one who snaps the shot - they become disappointed either that the results don't show anything close to the way they felt about it or are disappointed that the viewer doesn't see what the shooter saw.

I see it as snapshots or photographs. Think of going to Paris, snapping a shot of the Eiffel Tower at noon, full sun with hundreds of tourists in the shot. Or one that a photographer took at a certain time (morning, sunset, night-time) when the lighting was correct or the sky was threatening, etc.

Much of it is up to what is appealing to the viewer to determine photographer/picture snapper.

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Jan 29, 2015 19:03 |  #27

darkamble wrote in post #17406207 (external link)
However there is one thing, which is that I see in color. Do you not? I hear dogs see in black and white are you a dog? When I look at this I see a totally unrealistic representation of reality as I see it. Why don't people understand that human beings see in color and black and white far from being artistic is just a depature from reality
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and part one here
http://theonlinephotog​rapher.blogspot.co.uk …graphers-on-internet.html (external link)

very amusing use of critique of the great photographers i do wonder how communities would react if they popped up on photo sharing sites as unknowns today .

:p :p :p!!!

I'll need to keep that in mind before responding to any more C&C requests!


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Jan 29, 2015 19:41 |  #28

Good comments guys, I agree with most being said here. I just think that there is a difference between snapshots and photographs. Snapshots as implied are more documentary and meant to capture the moment you're living at the time.

Those don't nedessarily need to be artistic, but again, with some though about your shots beforehand, they can still be artistic. Even shooting at mid-day sun and with an iPhone.

The article wasn't meant to make a Us vs them type of argument, just meant to make you have a mindset about your shots. Try to visualize, or even plan your shots a bit rather than simply clicking away and hoping for the best.




  
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Jan 30, 2015 01:49 |  #29

It doesn't bother me in the least if other people describe themselves as photographers or not. Why should it? If their work is generally considered ordinary they'll probably have to move onto something else before long. Or as someone already said, they might improve and become successful photographers. Either way it's really none of my concern, I would rather focus on improving my own skills and results than on what others call themselves.

I personally don't refer to myself as a 'photographer' even though I spend lots of time on photography, because to me it would imply that this was my main income generating occupation, and I have never earned (nor sought to earn) a single dollar from my hobby. But not everyone sees things the same way, and if they feel comfortable with the term then it's not for me to decide they're wrong.


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Feb 01, 2015 00:07 |  #30

There are 2 types of photographers.

Artists who use photography to create art and the rest who take pictures.

I take pictures.




  
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