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Jan 30, 2015 22:31 |  #46

TheInfamousGreedo wrote in post #17408015 (external link)
I just want to know if it will have WiFi.


mclaren777 wrote in post #17408074 (external link)
I don't think that's very likely.

I have WiFi on a Canon 70d. I tried using the WiFi to tether shoot. The WiFi is way too slow for tether shooting to the point it was basically unusable for RAW shooting. For shooting JPeg the WiFi is fine, but how many people will want to shoot JPeg when they bought a camera capable of shooting 50mp? It may be nice, but I just don't see many people who are using a studio camera wanting to shoot WiFi.


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Jan 30, 2015 22:32 |  #47

The magnesium body may make wifi unlikely.


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Jan 30, 2015 23:06 |  #48

Mark0159 wrote in post #17407903 (external link)
and we know what kinda of price that canon demands for these cameras. the 5DS is going to be no difference. This is a high end camera for those that have a set need. Large print with details.

Despite a the number this isn't a direct replacement for the 5Dmk3. this is a premium camera above the 5Dmk3 camera. They are more than likely naming it a 5DS because it's a full frame camera without the portrait grip.

YeS. My guess is $4500




  
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Jan 30, 2015 23:16 |  #49

David Arbogast wrote in post #17407955 (external link)
It will be interesting to see if they'll do like Nikon (D800/D800E) and charge more for the version without the low-pass filter (charge more for less).


daleg wrote in post #17408037 (external link)
fwiw, ken rockwell is reporting prices. $3,800 & (if memory serves) $4,300 (?) for the 5Ds & 5Dr

just passing on what I noticed...

& yes, it appears that they will charge more for less (as sans lowpass = 5Dr).

They don't want you to think about it as charging more for less. They are giving you an option on two different builds. That means the trouble of producing two different but similar products instead of one and all that comes with it (boxes, printing, marketing, fab lines, etc.) You are paying for the option.


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Jan 30, 2015 23:45 |  #50

I wonder if there is any truth to this...


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Being there are a few feature's that seem to have been in the Nikon/Sony domain for years now, it makes since to conceivably believe that they have chosen this path. Feature sets IE crop mode, No low pass, Super high MP.

Just some pot stirring possibly but....it makes you think.


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Jan 31, 2015 04:04 |  #51

Mark0159 wrote in post #17408076 (external link)
If your shooting landscape then you don't want to use your battery life using wifi.

+1


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Jan 31, 2015 06:03 |  #52

Scatterbrained wrote in post #17407299 (external link)
I find the lack of video functionality encouraging.

No video specific hardware
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I doubt there's much in the way of "specific" hardware these days; in the sense that Liveview requires integrating an image from the sensor at a decent frame rate (in fact, the Magic Lantern guys are effectively using the in-memory buffer of RAW data that's produced by the camera as a way of doing RAW video).

Compressing that video to an MPEG stream would be best done with some hardware processing, but given the costs of chip development, it's likely that a camera with the video functionality disabled would probably still have the same DIGIC processor as one with the functionality (i.e. there isn't a separate video encoding chip in the camera).

It might be that there are some bandwidth/performance issues with regard to doing video on such a high MP sensor, but apart from potentially removing audio connectors on the body, the guts probably won't be much different (i.e. removing video functionality is probably not gaining you that much these days, and it may well be more of a marketing decision than technical/engineering driven).


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Jan 31, 2015 13:25 as a reply to  @ sploo's post |  #53

Definitely product segmentation than engineering constraint.


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Jan 31, 2015 14:44 |  #54

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If the 5Ds is on the plus side of $4,000.00, I'll probably wait and see what Sony's ultra Hi rez camera will be going for by comparison. I'll also wait to see how Canon's new sensor stacks up dynamic range wise with its Sony counterpart.

I'd also wait until I have the information regarding dynamic range.

The most confounding development is that like Sony, Canon has split their line into 3 models: hi-res, general use, and low light. Currently, I have 5DIII, A7R, and A7S but would like to reduce to 2-camera setup. Ideally, 5DsR (will it have [dumb question] mRAW and sRAW options in addition to crop shooting modes, or are they one and the same? [/dumb question]) and perhaps A7II or A7SII, provided latter has about 18mp would be great...



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Jan 31, 2015 21:19 as a reply to  @ post 17408076 |  #55

so you turn the wifi off


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Jan 31, 2015 21:56 |  #56

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YeS. My guess is $4500

What the price will be is anyone's guess, and you could be right, but I don't actually see it that way at all. There is nothing in the rumored specs that would suggest this should warrant a very high price. It's just got a higher resolution sensor. If anything, *on the whole it's going to be a lot less of a camera as compared to the 5D III an upcoming 5D IV: poorer ISO performance, less video functionality, etc. Look at Sony and Nikon; they haven't priced their 36MP products much higher. In 2012 did the $3000 36MP D800 seem like a "high-end" camera compared to the $3500 22MP 5D III just because it had a higher resolution?

Yes, Canon can absolutely give the 5DS a $4500 price sticker, it is entirely their perogative. But if they do, then I'm likely to go with Sony's 50MP camera, which will probably be priced far less. Since 2012 they have been losing customers to Nikon and Sony; customers seeking higher resolution options. So, it would be ironic if, after finally providing its customers with a high-resolution camera, they continued to lose them simply because they refused to set a competitive price. ;)

One more note on value: if this 5DS has a Canon sensor, it's probably going to be underwhelming in the dynamic range department, compared to the Sony counterpart. That's even less of a value from a sensor performance standpoint.

Anyway, no one is "wrong" (yet), these are just some thoughts...they well may be proven wrong. :lol:

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Jan 31, 2015 22:34 |  #57

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What the price will be is anyone's guess, and you could be right, but I don't actually see it that way at all. There is nothing in the rumored specs that would suggest this should warrant a very high price. It's just got a higher resolution sensor. If anything, *on the whole it's going to be a lot less of a camera as compared to the 5D III an upcoming 5D IV: poorer ISO performance, less video functionality, etc. Look at Sony and Nikon; they haven't priced their 36MP products much higher. In 2012 did the $3000 36MP D800 seem like a "high-end" camera compared to the $3500 22MP 5D III just because it had a higher resolution?

Yes, Canon can absolutely give the 5DS a $4500 price sticker, it is entirely their perogative. But if they do, then I'm likely to go with Sony's 50MP camera, which will probably be priced far less. Since 2012 they have been losing customers to Nikon and Sony; customers seeking higher resolution options. So, it would be ironic if, after finally providing its customers with a high-resolution camera, they continued to lose them simply because they refused to set a competitive price. ;)

One more note on value: if this 5DS has a Canon sensor, it's probably going to be underwhelming in the dynamic range department, compared to the Sony counterpart. That's even less of a value from a sensor performance standpoint.

Anyway, no one is "wrong" (yet), these are just some thoughts...they well may be proven wrong. :lol:

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Canon would have to be stupid to price this camera at $4500 if it's old sensor tech. $3000-3500 sounds about right, with the yen down in value and if their recent releases and competitor cameras create price anchoring. It would have to be a phenomenal camera (sensor revolution, not evolution) to successfully sell for $4500 in a 5D (single grip) style body.


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Jan 31, 2015 22:34 |  #58

David Arbogast wrote in post #17409389 (external link)
What the price will be is anyone's guess, and you could be right, but I don't actually see it that way at all. There is nothing in the rumored specs that would suggest this should warrant a very high price. It's just got a higher resolution sensor. If anything, *on the whole it's going to be a lot less of a camera as compared to the 5D III an upcoming 5D IV: poorer ISO performance, less video functionality, etc. Look at Sony and Nikon; they haven't priced their 36MP products much higher. In 2012 did the $3000 36MP D800 seem like a "high-end" camera compared to the $3500 22MP 5D III just because it had a higher resolution?

Yes, Canon can absolutely give the 5DS a $4500 price sticker, it is entirely their perogative. But if they do, then I'm likely to go with Sony's 50MP camera, which will probably be priced far less. Since 2012 they have been losing customers to Nikon and Sony; customers seeking higher resolution options. So, it would be ironic if, after finally providing its customers with a high-resolution camera, they continued to lose them simply because they refused to set a competitive price. ;)

I hope Canon has realised that a high-resolution, IQ-focused pro-featured body with top-level AF now commands D810-level prices, not 1Ds-level prices. It's been 8 years since they were last in the high-resolution pro-feature game and the landscape has changed.

One more note on value: if this 5DS has a Canon sensor, it's probably going to be underwhelming in the dynamic range department, compared to the Sony counterpart. That's even less of a value from a sensor performance standpoint.

That depends what is to be made of the rumoured patent exchange with Sony. If they've managed to include column-parallel A/D conversion in this sensor, there's no reason it shouldn't have DR in the same range as everyone else's sensor. After all, at the moment, it's not that Sony sensors have a uniquely high DR - it's that Canon sensors have a uniquely low DR, with every other sensor (Leica, Fuji, etc.) all being in the same ballpark as the Exmor.




  
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Jan 31, 2015 22:36 |  #59

Shadowblade wrote in post #17409413 (external link)
I hope Canon has realised that a high-resolution, IQ-focused pro-featured body with top-level AF now commands D810-level prices, not 1Ds-level prices. It's been 8 years since they were last in the high-resolution pro-feature game and the landscape has changed.

That depends what is to be made of the rumoured patent exchange with Sony. If they've managed to include column-parallel A/D conversion in this sensor, there's no reason it shouldn't have DR in the same range as everyone else's sensor. After all, at the moment, it's not that Sony sensors have a uniquely high DR - it's that Canon sensors have a uniquely low DR, with every other sensor (Leica, Fuji, etc.) all being in the same ballpark as the Exmor.

If Canon wanted to command 1Ds / D3x prices, they'd release the camera in a 1Ds/D3x style body (integrated grip), which doesn't appear to be the case so far.


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Jan 31, 2015 22:58 |  #60

idkdc wrote in post #17409422 (external link)
If Canon wanted to command 1Ds / D3x prices, they'd release the camera in a 1Ds/D3x style body (integrated grip), which doesn't appear to be the case so far.

That wouldn't command 1Ds-type prices either.

Grips are for action photographers who regularly shoot handheld in portrait orientation, or for those who don't have to carry their equipment long distances.

Landscape photographers, and others who would want a 50MP camera with limited high-ISO capabilities, often shoot on tripods, and landscape photographers, in particular, often carry gear for long distances. For these photographers, a grip is a hindrance rather than a help. Why pay double for a body with an inbuilt grip that weighs more and doesn't help with your style of shooting, when you can get a similar sensor in a D810-style body (whatever the D810 successor is) for a lower price?




  
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