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Feb 05, 2015 18:01 as a reply to  @ post 17417080 |  #31

7DII would be approx 56 Mpix (based on 22 Mpix for 7DII). To adjust the total number of pixels you have to multiply by the crop factor squared. So for Canon 1.6 crop that is 2.56×. The 50 Mpix sensor is around 19 Mpix for the 1.6 crop area, as is mentioned in the statement. The built in 1.3 crop would give a 29 Mpix image.

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Feb 05, 2015 18:19 |  #32

Balb0wa wrote in post #17416851 (external link)
They sell sensors to nikon, why not canon? they are a business, its about selling stuff.

Its like samsung selling parts to apple for the iphones, lot of money in parts.

I think you hit it right on the head. After reading this i don't think Sony really cares who they sell sensors to.

From Reuters Feb 05, 2015 US edition

"After selling its PC business and spinning off its TV operations, Sony is cutting thousands of jobs in its mobile phone business to cope with falling smartphone sales. It is also spending more on image sensors, used in smartphone cameras and emerging as one of the company's strongest product lines."


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Feb 05, 2015 18:26 |  #33

50Mp on a FF sensor means a lot higher pixel density. How would that work with the "average quality" lenses, like my 24-105mm and 100-400mm? Do they have sufficient resolution to benefit from the higher pixel density?


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Feb 05, 2015 21:30 |  #34

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17416318 (external link)
Photo Rumors leaked the probable EU prices of some of the gear Canon will announce on Friday, February 6th. (external link)

Canon EOS 5Ds: €3,499 (around $4,000)
Canon EOS 5Ds R (no low-pass filter): €3,699 (around $4,200)
Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM: €2,999 (around $3,400)

Most probably the US prices will be lower.

OK - I AM NOW TOTALLY CONFUSED.
I thought the Low-pass filter was the expensive bit on the Nikon D800E hence it costs more. The E has no Bayer AA Filter, but does have a cancellation filter. And the rumour was, because its not used on many cameras YET the E had to bear all the R&D - seems logical ( and they can charge us as the pics are sharper!)

So my confusion with these prices are 2 fold!
One the allleged press release says "EOS 5DS R also includes: Low-pass cancellation filter"
So I think the 5DS will have an AA Bayer? filter and be the cheaper one and the 5DS R will have no AA Filter
But instead will have the "new, (unique to this 50 MPS sensor), expensive Low-Pass Cancellation Filter. So i am expecting the 5DS R to be more expensive! And it is.
But then it says in the 'pricing post' that the R has ( No Low pass cancellation Filter )
.??
Or am I thick!


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Feb 05, 2015 21:35 |  #35

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OK - I AM NOW TOTALLY CONFUSED.
I thought the Low-pass filter was the expensive bit on the Nikon D800E hence it costs more. The E has no Bayer AA Filter, but does have a cancellation filter. And the rumour was, because its not used on many cameras YET the E had to bear all the R&D - seems logical ( and they can charge us as the pics are sharper!)

So my confusion with these prices are 2 fold!
One the allleged press release says "EOS 5DS R also includes: Low-pass cancellation filter"
So I think the 5DS will have an AA Bayer? filter and be the cheaper one and the 5DS R will have no AA Filter
But instead will have the "new, (unique to this 50 MPS sensor), expensive Low-Pass Cancellation Filter. So i am expecting the 5DS R to be more expensive! And it is.
But then it says in the 'pricing post' that the R has ( No Low pass cancellation Filter )
.??
Or am I thick!

Read more carefully, it's not written "( No Low pass cancellation Filter )" ;)


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Feb 05, 2015 21:46 |  #36

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17417538 (external link)
Read more carefully, it's not written "( No Low pass cancellation Filter )" ;)

Are you alluding to the fact they are technically incorrectly referimg to the Bayer AA filter simply as a "Low-Pass" filter; as opposed to the new "Low-Pass Cancellation Filter" which it ( the 5DSR ) will have?


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Feb 05, 2015 21:49 |  #37

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17417538 (external link)
Read more carefully, it's not written "( No Low pass cancellation Filter )" ;)

Yeah I spotted that but the editor locked up.
So when they say no low-pass filter they really mean no Bayer AA filter, but it will have the expensive Low-pass "Cancellation" filter?


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Feb 05, 2015 21:58 |  #38

Well we normally get royally screwed by Canon UK. The worlds most expensive subsidiary!
As their accounting department historically converts the £ to the $ as a 1:1 exchange rate.

But the Euro is currently in our Favour so €3,700 is £2,767. Considering the 5D3 launched at £3,000
Now is the time to buy from a financial point.
But will it be plaugued with flaky AF like the 7DII?

Normally I'd like to see reviews and the first users, but will my 19 month old 5D3 crash in Price. Sounds like it as this seems to have a pretty good AF system on board.

Interesting I didn't see anything on the video front. So defo not 4K at that price, but will it auto AF in video mode.??


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Feb 05, 2015 22:07 |  #39

I'm having a glass of wine, guys. This insane race for bigger, better cameras is disconcerting to say the least


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Feb 05, 2015 22:07 |  #40

The official announcement is out:

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …il&docId=0901e0​2480e41fc4 (external link)


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Feb 05, 2015 22:09 as a reply to  @ Submariner's post |  #41

We will know soon enough.

But my bet (guess) is that Canon will do the no-AA-filter option differently than Nikon. Nikon layers a counteracting filter on top of the D800 sensor filter pack. I think that Canon's no-filter option will have a single layer where the AA filter(s) would go, because that layer typically performs other functions as well. This might be better optically.

But the price will be higher because it would be a low-volume diversion from the normal flow of manufacturing.


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Feb 05, 2015 22:17 |  #42

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We will know soon enough.

But my bet (guess) is that Canon will do the no-AA-filter option differently than Nikon. Nikon layers a counteracting filter on top of the D800 sensor filter pack. I think that Canon's no-filter option will have a single layer where the AA filter(s) would go, because that layer typically performs other functions as well. This might be better optically.

But the price will be higher because it would be a low-volume diversion from the normal flow of manufacturing.

According to the official release at Canon USA it's an AA filter cancelation, rather than outright removal.

BTW, DPReview has their "First Impressions" article up.


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Feb 05, 2015 22:19 |  #43

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Feb 05, 2015 22:26 |  #44

Everybody, have another Valium :) ;) ;)


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Feb 05, 2015 22:34 |  #45

And B&H posted a video:

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …a_Canon-5DS-FirstLookBttn (external link)

I'm not one to worship Canon over Nikon, cause to me they both make legendary products, but... damn, highest-res 35mm camera, AND world's widest rectilinear lens, BOTH at the same time...... come on, all the people dumping on Canon in the past really gotta kiss some feet right now.


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