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Feb 06, 2015 00:49 |  #76

ed rader wrote in post #17417801 (external link)
I remember when everyone hated working with 10 mp files. bring it on, I say :-)


the jpgs on the canon website are 22mpx in size. eek. no way those can be uploaded to cloud in a hurry while out and about. I hate to see what the raw file sizes are.


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Feb 06, 2015 01:16 |  #77

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50Mp on a FF sensor means a lot higher pixel density. How would that work with the "average quality" lenses, like my 24-105mm and 100-400mm? Do they have sufficient resolution to benefit from the higher pixel density?

It doesn't really work like this. If there is an improvement with a good lens, there is an improvement in resolution with any lens. You might be able to see some issues (e.g. softness of corners, etc.) when looking at 100% but you'd still gain resolution over the entire frame.

The claim that you "need" better lenses wit higher resolution is incorrect. You might decide you want a better lens for a certain magnification, but I've seen zero examples where, comparing at the same magnification, a higher resolution (but otherwise at least equal or better) camera was worse than a lower resolution camera (at low ISO).

BTW that lens would probably be great for anyone using it for landscapes, but althoguh I like the FL, unfortunately it would be useless to me and I guess some others because of the f/4 aperture.


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Feb 06, 2015 01:53 |  #78

vk2gwk wrote in post #17417329 (external link)
50Mp on a FF sensor means a lot higher pixel density. How would that work with the "average quality" lenses, like my 24-105mm and 100-400mm? Do they have sufficient resolution to benefit from the higher pixel density?

The 7D2 has an even higher pixel density than the 5Ds, and the lenses I tried on it, even the older ones like the 85/1.8 or 400/5.6 are just fine. So I don't think you need to worry.


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Feb 06, 2015 02:19 |  #79

While there seems to be no banding in the blacks, picture of a woman in a garden with an owl, there is certainly noise there and very much similar in characteristic to 5DIII and 1Dx. I am guessing at this point of course but presume shadow pulling will be as with older models (better done with curves than with a shadow slider in LR (unless Adobe implements something better)). That said as a studio/landscape camera with a T&S stuck on it, count me interested.


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Feb 06, 2015 02:36 |  #80





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Feb 06, 2015 03:19 |  #81

7D Mark II has 20.2 million effective pixels, and the 5DS has in 1.6 crop mode approximately 20 million pixels. At least they are very close to each other, which make me wonder if they share the same sensor technology. Could it be so?


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Feb 06, 2015 04:13 |  #82

ArisPhoto wrote in post #17417901 (external link)
7D Mark II has 20.2 million effective pixels, and the 5DS has in 1.6 crop mode approximately 20 million pixels. At least they are very close to each other, which make me wonder if they share the same sensor technology. Could it be so?

Yes, probably.
Maybe the EXMOR will be for the EOS M3 (24Mp)

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Feb 06, 2015 04:23 |  #83

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I went along, and they had the new 5DS(R) (or however they call it) there for handling - no battery and no cards allowed.

Looks and feels like a 5D3.

Expected pricing is AUD4,699 for the 5DS and AUD4,999 for the R version. Given current ratios, expect the USD price to be a little less than that.

[EDIT] I see the US prices are significantly lower than the Australian prices. Looks like we are going back to the bad old days for exhorbitant camera pricing in Australia . . .

The price is pretty good considering the strong USD at the moment. You wouldn't be able to land it cheaper buying from B&H even if you avoided the GST on arrival, factoring that in we're getting a pretty good deal.

I thought about going for a look but got sidetracked. Would have nice to get a couple of raw files to play with but seems there was no chance of that happening.




  
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Feb 06, 2015 05:27 |  #84

"As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!"

"The Mark III still trumps the S and S R in terms of maximum ISO and continuous shooting speed."

http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr (external link)

If true, then sorry Canon, these two Cameras are a bust.


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Feb 06, 2015 05:44 |  #85

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If true, then sorry Canon, these two Cameras are a bust.

I agree with you there. They haven't listened to a thing anyone has asked.




  
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Feb 06, 2015 05:49 |  #86

mystik610 wrote in post #17417962 (external link)
If true, then sorry Canon, these two Cameras are a bust.

Yup, just like the 6D. No one will want these crippled cameras.


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Feb 06, 2015 06:02 |  #87

mystik610 wrote in post #17417962 (external link)
"As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!"

"The Mark III still trumps the S and S R in terms of maximum ISO and continuous shooting speed."

http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr (external link)

If true, then sorry Canon, these two Cameras are a bust.

That would be disappointing of the read noise is still the same as the 5dIII. Canon actually made some improvements in the A/D conversion with the 7dII- if that continued on this larger sensor they probably could have gotten close to DR range from Nikon/Sony.

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Feb 06, 2015 06:16 |  #88

mystik610 wrote in post #17417962 (external link)
"As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!"

"The Mark III still trumps the S and S R in terms of maximum ISO and continuous shooting speed."

http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr (external link)

If true, then sorry Canon, these two Cameras are a bust.

I saw it coming from miles away. Same old sh*t. Canon cannot get me excited anymore. Sony on the other hand...


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Feb 06, 2015 06:27 as a reply to  @ post 17417710 |  #89

Well, it's about damn time Canon! Lol! If the DR is improved it will be a no-brainer for me!! The 11-24 is sweet too!




  
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Feb 06, 2015 06:33 as a reply to  @ mystik610's post |  #90

I read that. I hope it isn't true but, now that Canon has swung back, it's still early in the year for Nikon & Sony to release something new. :)




  
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