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OFFICIAL : 5DS and 5DS R Announced

 
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Feb 06, 2015 08:45 |  #106

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Stronger body components - my ass!
The only thing, price apart, I was disappinted with was the weight is now 854g
And the 5D3 is 945g
11%. lighter = weaker :(

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Feb 06, 2015 09:05 |  #107

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Yup, just like the 6D. No one will want these crippled cameras.


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Feb 06, 2015 09:06 |  #108

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I thought the 'R' referred to the removal of the effect caused by the low pass filter.

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Feb 06, 2015 09:10 |  #109

While I see the appeal for some, my "relatively" recent PC can grind on complex actions for my 5DIII images sometimes. And, I've got 20x30's and larger from my 5DIII (hell, from my 5D back in the day) that have all the detail I could personally need. So, for me as a hobbyist landscape and family shooter, the value of the increased MP remains to be proven.

Sure, one could argue this is the same thing people said when we only had 3 MP, but 24MP still allows some pretty large prints where 3 did not. I see 50MP as more of a niche market for real pros than something even advanced hobbyist DSLR users would need, unless you're just chasing gear.

I bet if this camera had the leap in DR we'd all hoped for along with maybe native ISO 50, it would have been a much more compelling argument for this landscape shooter. But, I guess time will tell the value in this new camera as we start to see user images roll onto the forum. Maybe I will end up eating crow a year from now.


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Feb 06, 2015 09:11 |  #110

Sure it looks nice and is tempting paired with a 11-24mm but i got a A7r which has a really good resolution too, is smaller and (if the reports i read are true) still has a better DR than the new canon high MP cameras. Got it for 1400$, paired with the sony/zeiss 16-35mm which is superb too, not so wide but i find 16mm plenty wide, sometimes too wide, and also cost me only 1300$.

Thats a very satisfying setup for me, for less than the 11-24mm only...

Sure there are shortcommings on the A7r compared to a DSLR or specifically to the new 5Ds or the zeiss 16-35 compared to the 11-24mm, but to me they are negligible for what i use it for. All i need is good quality and a logical and user friendly system aswell as a build quality which doesnt disappoint if you use your gear in less comfortable situations for my fineart and landscape photography.

I think a bit of that: I only need more than 20mpx if im going to print large as i dont crop much. No way i am going to print a portrait bigger than A3, where 20mpx should suffice. No way i need to print a street photo bigger than A3. What i love to print big is landscape images, cityscapes, seascapes whatever and fine art, architecture etc..

Just my point of view. And please no comments like your saying your satisfyied but actually youre trying to make those new announcements bad because youve spent so much money on it. Well, i know what i know and i kow what i feel so i dont give ... ;)

If youre a commercial photgrapher it doesnt matter id say. If i'd get enough cash for photography id get the best of the best though :)

But in the end photograph a trash bin with a medium format hassi or phase one or whatever for 10, 20k, but the picture still wont show a masterpiece of a photgrograph, just a simple piece of ... in a bin.  :p


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Feb 06, 2015 09:19 |  #111

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Feb 06, 2015 09:22 |  #112

Can anyone confirm the information that this is the first non-1D camera, which has metering system linked to AF points?


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Feb 06, 2015 09:27 as a reply to  @ post 17418207 |  #113

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Feb 06, 2015 09:30 as a reply to  @ MNUplander's post |  #114

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Feb 06, 2015 09:32 |  #115

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My guess is that it will neither match nor go beyond "the DR offered by Sony sensors" at base ISO. As is typical of Canon sensors, they will out-do Sony sensors at higher ISO values yet will get no credit from the "only Sony sensors are any good" crowd. Even if these new sensors do match Sony sensors for that particular number (DR at base ISO) there's bound to be some other number, somewhere (my bet: DXO) where a Sony sensor can be said to be better, and once that's hunted down then the "all Canon sensors are all cr*p, all the time" refrain can continue on the basis of whatever number that may be.

I have no particular brief for or against Sony sensors or Canon sensors. But I can note that one might be superior in some circumstances while another might be superior in different circumstances. I'm suggesting that if and only if you are doing critical work that requires utmost performance at that particular task then you should perhaps care about this. Otherwise most modern sensors will mostly do whatever you want once you've learned to work with them. But it won't matter: people will look for one number - any number - to justify their pre-judgement for their favourite and against all others.

I might wish it wasn't so, but it is. I suppose it keeps the forums ticking over, but it's starting to get very old...

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A 50MP camera with a max ISO of 6400 appeals most to studio and landscape photographers almost by design.

Studio and landscape photographers shoot at low ISO. Why does it matter to us that Canon is better at ISO 12800 or whatever when our ISO setting is superglued to 100? As a landscape photographer, I care what Canon can deliver at ISO 50 and 100, not what it can deliver at ISO 12800, where it will be too noisy for me to make a huge print anyway.




  
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Feb 06, 2015 09:39 |  #116

I don't know 1 landscape photographer that really cares about AF. I've been doing for years and I always work with manual lenses. If I want to do hyperfocal shot, I need to manual focus anyway. Yes the higher MP count is great but what landscape photographer really needs is more dynamic range, more dynamic range and more dynamic range. Oh and better performance at low ISO. So it looks like this 5Dr/s is just an 7DII upscale to an FF sensor. Its very disappointing.

I will stick with my Sony A7r for landscaping. It is a such a better tool to work with. I already got an GH4 for video so it looks like my Canon is going to be on CL soon.


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Feb 06, 2015 09:40 |  #117

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Feb 06, 2015 09:43 |  #118

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I don't know 1 landscape photographer that really cares about AF. I've been doing for years and I always work with manual lenses. If I want to do hyperfocal shot, I need to manual focus anyway. Yes the higher MP count is great but what landscape photographer really needs is more dynamic range, more dynamic range and more dynamic range. Oh and better performance at low ISO. So it looks like this 5Dr/s is just an 7DII upscale to an FF sensor. Its very disappointing.

I will stick with my Sony A7r for landscaping. It is a such a better tool to work with. I already got an GH4 for video so it looks like my Canon is going to be on CL soon.

TeamSpeed posted this in the 5Ds rumor thread: http://www.brucepercy.​co.uk …y-need-high-dynamic-range (external link)

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Feb 06, 2015 09:50 |  #119

Looks like I'm holding on to my 5D3.


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Feb 06, 2015 09:52 |  #120

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TeamSpeed posted this in the 5Ds rumor thread: http://www.brucepercy.​co.uk …y-need-high-dynamic-range (external link)

interesting read.

And yet all of the picture on the article were HDR...the irony here. dynamic range does matter in post-processing when you are trying to lift shadow. I don't always want to shoot 3 bracket exposure so yeah dynamic range does matter.


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