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OFFICIAL : 5DS and 5DS R Announced

 
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Feb 06, 2015 18:17 as a reply to  @ post 17418900 |  #211

More curious to see how it performs at base ISO. Trying to be positive. ;)




  
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Feb 06, 2015 18:20 as a reply to  @ post 17419012 |  #212

Maybe wait for DXO. ;)




  
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Feb 06, 2015 19:25 |  #213

The fact that so many people are moaning about DR is a testament to how valuable this is to Canon's consumers. Based on what we know of the 5Ds so far, it seems that Canon is out of touch with the market, the in industry, and their consumers....which is unfortunate.

Dynamic range is only one area the only area that Canon seems to be disregarding their customers....their piss poor offerings in the mirrorless realm is the other.


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Feb 06, 2015 19:50 |  #214

mystik610 wrote in post #17419279 (external link)
....their piss poor offerings in the mirrorless realm is the other.

What's so wrong about the EOS M III?  :p

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Feb 06, 2015 20:22 as a reply to  @ mystik610's post |  #215

One word: patent


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Feb 06, 2015 20:33 |  #216

mystik610 wrote in post #17419279 (external link)
The fact that so many people are moaning about DR is a testament

Correction: The fact that so many people in a gearhead forum are moaning about DR...

Really want to ask everyone, when was the last time you look at your pic and really said "this pic would completely rock if I had 2 more stops DR!"? You all sound like the current DR is so bad that all pics are unusable?



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Feb 06, 2015 20:42 as a reply to  @ post 17418732 |  #217

I owned the 1ds mark III for almost five years. I prefer the 5d mark III for landscapes. it's a great all-around camera, the best I've used. i'll probably wait for the 5d4 to upgrade but without samples and proper reviews it's really too early to tell what i'll do.


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Feb 06, 2015 20:58 as a reply to  @ HyperYagami's post |  #218

Many many times actually. As a landscape photographer routinely shooting at the edge of light there are many many times I've wished for more DR. I've worked within the parameters of the camera body or film that I used at the time to get the best compromise shot capturing as much of the highlights while preserving the shadows, a balancing act that would be far less of a juggle if I had two more stops of DR. And now I can look on the other side of the fence and it's greener in the Sony and Nikon yards, less noise, higher DR, and higher resolution sensors. I want that. I've made a significant investment in my Canon system and would like the same abilities as Nikony.


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Feb 06, 2015 20:58 |  #219

mystik610 wrote in post #17419279 (external link)
...their piss poor offerings in the mirrorless realm is the other.

Wait until NAB.


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Feb 06, 2015 21:18 |  #220

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Well, those strides are protected by patents that Canon has to try to work around. I'm sure they'd be happy to hear from anyone here with ideas about how to do that:D

Canon could get more DR with existing analog readout. Add more better calibrated channels and slow the readout down.

Or canon could license the tech that Sony uses (the digital CDS is not a Sony invention). Column ADCs don't guarantee no pattern noise either. Supposedly (I'd like to see proof though) the Leica M CMOSIS chip has both column ADCs and digital CDS. It's produced on a more advanced process than the Canon sensors. Files from it look terrible at both low ISO and high ISO when pushed, far worse than the newer "low-tech" Canon sensors. Samsung NX1 sensor is very advanced and theoretically more advanced than Sony, yet doesn't seem to look as good, DR and high ISO wise (detail is great though).

Canon could also use existing sensor tech and augment it with on chip ADCs (non-column ones). Use the on-chip ones to add many more readout channels (16, 32, 64, or more) and do it slower. Or add a slow readout mode.

The Sony chips aren't really better due specifically to the technology in them. It's due to the fact that Sony has spent tons of time and money perfecting that technology and their manufacturing processes. That's really the hurdle. Fortunately Canon has a ton of experience in making an incredibly good sensor, it's simply the readout that needs tweaked.


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Feb 06, 2015 21:30 |  #221

AJSJones wrote in post #17419035 (external link)
Well, those strides are protected by patents that Canon has to try to work around. I'm sure they'd be happy to hear from anyone here with ideas about how to do that:D

It's not unusual for leaders in any industry to fall into protective mode where resources formerly devoted to creative endeavors become refocused onto protecting their former gains. It happened to IBM, Compac and many others.

I hope it isn't happening to Canon but I wish they were the patent holders of the new, cutting edge technology and Sony and Nikon were trying to work around it. Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be the case.


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Feb 06, 2015 21:32 |  #222

HyperYagami wrote in post #17419392 (external link)
Correction: The fact that so many people in a gearhead forum are moaning about DR...

This forum is actually a very good sample of the market segment that the 5Ds would be attractive to. No one is going to shell out close to $4,000 on a camera body unless there was some element of a gear head in them. If there's no appreciation for the performance of the camera, why would anyone spend that kind of money? If the performance of the gear doesn't matter, why even bother with anything other than your smartphone?

The problem with the 5Ds from a product positioning standpoint is that what its offering, and the price its asking, is completely out of sync with the needs/demands of its target market. It's also out of sync with its competition.

It's positioned as a landscapers camera, but landscapers prioritize DR. The camera doesn't make sense if it can't deliver in the areas its target consumers need it to.

HyperYagami wrote in post #17419392 (external link)
Really want to ask everyone, when was the last time you look at your pic and really said "this pic would completely rock if I had 2 more stops DR!"? You all sound like the current DR is so bad that all pics are unusable?

I've been shooting with an a7r alongside my 5DIII for over a year now...so my circumstances are a bit different. Landscapes are not my bread and butter, (bought the a7r primarily because its a FF mirrorless camera), but I'm more in the "wow there's no way I could have taken this show without those 2 extra stops of DR!", as there are quite a few shots that I've taken that I couldn't have taken on my 5DIII.


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Feb 06, 2015 21:54 |  #223

On another issue, I'm also a little disappointed in the 5DS focus point arrangement. I just don't understand the reasoning behind putting so many points so closely clustered together in the middle of the screen.

I've been shooting a 6D and I was holding off from buying the 5DIII waiting on it's successor and hoping for something to make it easier to get in-focus portraits with wide apertures. But with so few focus points away from the center, where I normally place the subject's eyes, I'm forced to focus and recompose, which usually leads to a bit of back focus.

I haven't really explored the Sony yet, cause I was hoping to be able to stay with Canon, but if I can get good, reliable focus (with focus peaking or whatever method they use) in the periphery of the screen by switching to Sony, I may have to make that leap out of practical concerns.

Please Canon, give us sensitive focus points evenly spaced throughout the entire screen. I don't need a lot, just enough to minimize the amount of recomposition required and to be able to focus quickly no matter where I place the subject's head and eyes.


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Feb 06, 2015 22:02 |  #224

HyperYagami wrote in post #17419392 (external link)
Correction: The fact that so many people in a gearhead forum are moaning about DR...

Really want to ask everyone, when was the last time you look at your pic and really said "this pic would completely rock if I had 2 more stops DR!"? You all sound like the current DR is so bad that all pics are unusable?



I think the question which should be asked is "how many times have you had a shot ruined by blown highlights or detail-less shadow areas because of insufficient dynamic range."


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Feb 06, 2015 22:45 |  #225

FTb wrote in post #17419512 (external link)
I think the question which should be asked is "how many times have you had a shot ruined by blown highlights or detail-less shadow areas because of insufficient dynamic range."

The answer is none because the situation avoided via grads, brackets, or tossing in the towel.


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