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Feb 06, 2015 21:31 as a reply to  @ post 17419453 |  #31

You'll never convince me to give up my 17TSE, no way no how. IMHO it is the most legendary lens that canon has made in the last 20 years.

It's that good. It's stupid easy to use for me, and allows me to get shots that nobody else can get - wide or not. It's not all about being as wide as can be.

The capabilities of the TSE line are just incredible - I wish I could replace all of my lenses with TS versions.

I would take my TSE over any other lens, in almost any scenario, and I can still come away with some unique, and useable.




  
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Feb 06, 2015 22:38 |  #32

Todd Lambert wrote in post #17419488 (external link)
You'll never convince me to give up my 17TSE, no way no how. IMHO it is the most legendary lens that canon has made in the last 20 years.

It's that good. It's stupid easy to use for me, and allows me to get shots that nobody else can get - wide or not. It's not all about being as wide as can be.

The capabilities of the TSE line are just incredible - I wish I could replace all of my lenses with TS versions.

I would take my TSE over any other lens, in almost any scenario, and I can still come away with some unique, and useable.

The 17 has the unique ability to do super wide shifting, however, 11 is like doing all the shifts in one shot, just pick part of the frame you want. The wide angle tilt isn't very useful. Filters are a pain to use, I would rather deal with gels than 150mm squares.

The most revolutionary lens in the last 20 years, just got replaced. Hands down the 11-24. In a few months, I predict it will be the gold standard of landscape lenses.

Nikon users will give up their dynamic range for this unique opportunity. They'll be dreaming of the day they switch systems, even with the antiquated 5Ds sensor.


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Feb 07, 2015 00:03 |  #33

Todd Lambert wrote in post #17419488 (external link)
You'll never convince me to give up my 17TSE, no way no how. IMHO it is the most legendary lens that canon has made in the last 20 years.

Denial, anger, acceptance.
I predict you'll own the 11-24, about 1 year from now ;-)a


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Feb 07, 2015 04:18 as a reply to  @ Todd Lambert's post |  #34

Did you realise Todd that you can own both the 17mm TS-E and the 11-24mm.

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The 17 has the unique ability to do super wide shifting, however, 11 is like doing all the shifts in one shot, just pick part of the frame you want. The wide angle tilt isn't very useful. Filters are a pain to use, I would rather deal with gels than 150mm squares.

I really don't see the sense in this. Why would I want to crop an image from the 11-24mm when I can use the 17mm TS-E and obtain the shot I want in full resolution?
You seem to be searching for excuses to not get a tilt shift.


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Feb 07, 2015 07:24 |  #35

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Good luck to Canon on this. I have the Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 DG HSM II, and it is an excellent lens. Current price at B&H is $949. The Canon is $2,999. I am curious as to what I would get in practical terms for spending $2,000 more for the Canon over the Sigma. 1mm and one stop isn't enough for me, nor is the Canon name and the red ring. I own a few L lenses, and wouldn't part with them. This one I don't understand at this price point.


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Guess you don't think much of Zeiss' 15mm either for $3k'ish? You know, being a prime and missing AF and all that..., does have filter threads though, which I guess is a significant plus.

I wasn't commenting on a zoom versus a prime. I was comparing a direct competitor to the new Canon zoom lens, given these two lenses have similar specs.


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Feb 07, 2015 07:37 |  #36

At the moment the 14-24mm Nikon and 15mm Zeiss are the sharpest wide angle lenses out there, the 14mm II canon prime is close behind though softer at f2.8 it is comparable to the Zeiss at f4 and above.

We don't yet know any performance figures, but looking at Canon's claims in their own MTF charts, we can see that the 11-24mm has top tier performance in terms of sharpness and contrast.

Note to understand MTF, thin lines are resolution, thick lines are contrast. Black lines are wide open, blue lines are f8. Dashed lines are out of focus performance (i.e., bokeh).
The 11-24mm shows no fall off in sharpness at the edges, which is quite a remarkable thing.

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Feb 07, 2015 08:31 |  #37

Mornnb wrote in post #17419800 (external link)
Did you realise Todd that you can own both the 17mm TS-E and the 11-24mm.

I really don't see the sense in this. Why would I want to crop an image from the 11-24mm when I can use the 17mm TS-E and obtain the shot I want in full resolution?
You seem to be searching for excuses to not get a tilt shift.

meh, I've used the TS plenty, and it's not for me. The feature really stands out when you're shooting architecture and/or objects with straight lines, however, stitching is sometimes troublesome, especially if I'm not printing large. I've done stitches with wide angle lenses that can pass off as shift images, with globs of resolution.

the point is that the 11-24 can replicate the TS with loss of pixel pitch for architectural items, and I can certainly make due with that, however the simplicity of a massively wide shot, certainly outweighs shift ability IMO. Many times I want cloud movement, no stitch. Wave movement, no stitch. People in the scene, no stitch. Fleeting moment, no stitch.

On the other hand, if I've got to get corrected verticals, no problem. I can crop out some of the scene and still get good sized prints.

the TS is lower on the totem pole, and should cater to architectural shooters most.


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Feb 07, 2015 08:49 |  #38

Lets face it any of the Ultra wide angle lenses are pretty specialist bits of kit, as are the TS lenses. Each will have advantages and disadvantages in various situations where they might be used. In the ideal world one would want to be able to have both, so that you can pick the absolute best tool for the job at hand. If thats not possible due to the expense then it's up to the individual to pick the tool that best suits the most common situation that THEY will find themselves in and make do in the other situations as best they can. For me my personal circumstances, and the number of times I am likely to use either means that I am unlikely to ever own either a UWA or a TS lens. Big white telephoto and telephoto zooms are far more important to me, along with a high pixel density to go with them, as I am very often going to be focal length limited, even with the longest of big whites, especially if using FF sensors.

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Feb 07, 2015 17:44 |  #39

I'm an UWA junkie. I actually use my FE quite a bit for landscapes (without complete de-fishing even). I think I aught to have this lens just because I shoot so much UWA, but I actually don't think I will end up getting it. For most applications where I need wider than 17mm and can't FE it, I can shift and stitch. I'm not sure that for me there are enough situations where I want to be wider than 16/17mm and can't stitch and can't use the FE. Certainly there are some, but I don't think $3k + filters + carrying 3lb of lens worth.

It will be interesting to see what those that do get this lens produce. I guess I will then see if there is something I am missing. Also when I am out in the field I have not been considering a 'what if I had the 11-24' scenario. Obviously before this I didn't even have the option, so never thought about it.


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Feb 07, 2015 23:14 as a reply to  @ post 17418081 |  #40

My oh my.... I'm not sure if it was the angle but the perspective control looks awesome. Very sharp corners... and it's humongous! Time to get one of these. :-D




  
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Feb 08, 2015 10:12 |  #41

Well since Canon has decided they are not going to make a super wide below F/4 I tend to agree with some others. The 16-35 F/4 IS seems the way to go. At least it has IS and you could probably hold it at an 1/8 and get sharp images when in low light. I can honestly say that at receptions, they seem to be getting darker and darker every year. I am so frequently at f/2.5 at 1/30 at 6400 and pushing in post its not even funny. And thats with a flash. I cant use F/4 for a lot of my needs. 12800 iso is good, but i dont want to be at 12800 all night either......who knows.....maybe Canon has something in the works and 25K iso will be the current 3200 iso on a 5D3 and thats why they are making F/4 glass.

I was really looking forward to this lens and was hoping it was going to come in at F/2.8 and priced to compete with Nikons flagship 14-24. I for one, am very disappointed with this announcement. and 3K is just stupid for f/4 glass with no IS....lame move in my opinion

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Feb 08, 2015 12:22 as a reply to  @ CheshireCat's post |  #42

haha. you know the signs :-)


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Feb 08, 2015 12:32 |  #43

on the filter side of this, i'm really surprised they don't have some way of putting giant filters on it...yeah it would be expensive, but i figure if someone is going to go for ultimate landscape set up, this lens and one of the 50mp 5D's...they'd be willing to spend quite a bit for the ability to use filters


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Feb 08, 2015 12:36 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #44

if there is a way to attach filters the Nikon guys would know. not being able to screw on an ND is a disadvantage for me


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Feb 08, 2015 12:40 |  #45

ed rader wrote in post #17421881 (external link)
if there is a way to attach filters the Nikon guys would know. not being able to screw on an ND is a disadvantage for me

i was just looking at the lee SW150 that they designed for the nikon 14-24mm.
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i'm not sure how hard it would be to get that same sort of system


this lens does at least have the drop in filters at the rear of the lens


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