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Why Canon is Banning USA residents?

 
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Feb 08, 2015 23:30 |  #16

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Very different than my view of photography.

understandable. for them the sole purpose of "photos" is just snapshots of their lives, no more no less. their cellphone cameras do that purpose very well for them, and no interest to create masterpieces.



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Feb 08, 2015 23:33 |  #17

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #17422976 (external link)
But you're right, it'd have to be a HUGE game changer for the 'M' to ever gain anything on Fuji/Panasonic/Sony;

I really think the game charger would need to be the lens.

Even if they magically created a full-frame compact mirrorless, no one is going to take them seriously until they re-invent all those primes and ultrazooms on the EF-M mount. On the other hand, IF they come up with say a EF-M 50mm f/1.2, I'm sure lots of people will put up with it even if the bodies are relatively crippled compared to the regular sized.



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Feb 09, 2015 03:18 |  #18

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=banquetbear;17422195 but living in the ass end of the world

it's not quite the ass end of the world, but if you squint a bit westerly, you might catch a glimpse of it... :-)


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Feb 09, 2015 03:49 |  #19

If Canon had created the M with an EF mount then they would not be having to do this whole money saving thing. But a Canon user who wants a mirrorless and have to first buy an adaptor thinks "Might as well buy a full frame Sony with that super IQ, need an adaptor anyways". ;)


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Feb 09, 2015 06:12 |  #20

There are always market assessments made. US cars are rarely marketed here, for example, for the simple reason that the sophistication usually requested by car buyers here is seldom met by products designed in the US. The US manufacturers know that, and once they've forgotten (too many have retired since the last attempt?) they try again, and learn the lesson once again.

Scania doesn't market trucks in the US, well aware that the level of sophistication they ask money for isn't appreciated in North America. They sell well in South America, well enough to even assemble them there, but in their day-to-day life, North Americans tend to be more old-fashioned than almost everybody else.

Similar judgements are of course in place for every product. So for some reason, Canon decided it's not worth trying to sell the M model in the US.

Isn't the EOS M mount created to make the cameras more compact? I assume the register distance is shorter than with EOS EF.


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Feb 09, 2015 13:20 |  #21

apersson850 wrote in post #17423246 (external link)
Isn't the EOS M mount created to make the cameras more compact? I assume the register distance is shorter than with EOS EF.

About 25mm smaller I believe. So somewhere around 19-20mm compared to the 44mm of the EF/EF-s mount.

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Feb 10, 2015 00:56 |  #22

FWIW:
I think that if you did a little research you would find that it was Canon USA and not Canon Japan that made the call on not selling in the US. This has been stated a few times by some of the Canon Japan VP's :)


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Feb 10, 2015 07:31 |  #23

Varago wrote in post #17424891 (external link)
FWIW:
I think that if you did a little research you would find that it was Canon USA and not Canon Japan that made the call on not selling in the US. This has been stated a few times by some of the Canon Japan VP's :)

I'm not sure what your point is. I haven't read these statements, but it seems obvious that Canon USA would be the final arbiter of any corporate decision to distribute in the US. Assuming that executive incentives (as well as job security) are tied to short-term sales and stock performance, and assuming their sales projections indicate continued poor sales for mirrorless in the US, should we expect a different move from them?

If a product is slated to fail in the US, you'll not likely find an executive willing to green light it. And if Canon Japan catches any heat, it's no surprise if they deflect blame.

But whether or not they're effectively judging the US market--balancing sales projections, marketing strategies for emerging products and overall profitability--is a good question.


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Feb 10, 2015 07:45 |  #24

davidc502 wrote in post #17422042 (external link)
This kind of gives us an idea of just how important the USA market is.

+1 >> Money, Money and More Money.

Or maybe they are more concerned with loosing market share in the US. Right now the M series cameras do not stack up well with the competition. Even the new one seems weak. Releasing a sub-par mirrorless into the US market would cause many to evaluate the whole mirrorless field and so decide that Canon looks weak and go elsewhere. It's already happening here at POTN. There have been quite a few posts and threads about switching. Asia and Europe have warmed to mirrorless much more aggressively so they can't be ignored. Mirrorless in the US remains a niche.


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Feb 10, 2015 21:14 |  #25

apersson850 wrote in post #17423246 (external link)
There are always market assessments made. US cars are rarely marketed here, for example, for the simple reason that the sophistication usually requested by car buyers here is seldom met by products designed in the US. The US manufacturers know that, and once they've forgotten (too many have retired since the last attempt?) they try again, and learn the lesson once again.

Scania doesn't market trucks in the US, well aware that the level of sophistication they ask money for isn't appreciated in North America. They sell well in South America, well enough to even assemble them there, but in their day-to-day life, North Americans tend to be more old-fashioned than almost everybody else.

Similar judgements are of course in place for every product. So for some reason, Canon decided it's not worth trying to sell the M model in the US.

Isn't the EOS M mount created to make the cameras more compact? I assume the register distance is shorter than with EOS EF.

Your lack of knowledge of product design, commercial vehicle marketing, and economics is embarrassing. I suggest you continue refining that high quality Ikea furniture, and send us some better Sweedish meatballs.


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Feb 10, 2015 22:11 |  #26

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...I suggest you continue refining that high quality Ikea furniture, and send us some better Sweedish meatballs.

Ya know, the quality of Ikea meatballs has really fallen. They use to be quite good but lately there is so much filler that they are down right mealy, almost pasty.


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Feb 11, 2015 00:39 |  #27

say_cheese wrote in post #17426287 (external link)
Your lack of knowledge of product design, commercial vehicle marketing, and economics is embarrassing. I suggest you continue refining that high quality Ikea furniture, and send us some better Sweedish meatballs.

and I suggest you to at least make a lazy effort to provide supporting material regarding your statement...



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Feb 11, 2015 16:48 |  #28

HyperYagami wrote in post #17426538 (external link)
and I suggest you to at least make a lazy effort to provide supporting material regarding your statement...

Why not drop this instead of taking the thread further off-track? I typed up a big rebuttal to this but decided it was in poor form.


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Feb 11, 2015 17:30 |  #29

If you are really interested in the M3 you might check some distributors in Canada. I read on a forum, not sure it was POTN, of a couple of people that had ordered previous iterations from an outlet in Canada. They also had purchased some lenses there after the market dried up in the USA. I don't know whether or not the M3 will even be offered in Canada but it might be worth a try. I don't know what kind of warranty or support, if any, would be available for that type of purchase but it may be one way to purchase the camera.

NOTE: I checked Henry's website and they don't list the EOS M but they did have a lens available for the camera.


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Feb 12, 2015 21:34 |  #30

Sparky98 wrote in post #17427639 (external link)
If you are really interested in the M3 you might check some distributors in Canada.

NOTE: I checked Henry's website and they don't list the EOS M but they did have a lens available for the camera.

"Canon has announced the EOS M3 in Europe and Asia", so that's a pretty definite answer.

The body is 56,800 yen, and consider how weak JPY is right now it really isn't bad to just buy it from Japan and ship it overseas.



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