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Feb 11, 2015 16:35 |  #16

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The definition that you and I posted precisely says money, in return for suffering, not time lost. Hence you compensate someone for an accident or libel, or you pay someone wages. You trade services (assisting for quality teaching), you don't compensate a service for another.

No it precisely says "typically" money - meaning not always.

I am saying in one way or another you are being compensated for your time. Either in money, beer, food, diapers, wine, knowledge or cigars.

Either way my point is: it is up to YOU and you alone to determine if working for something other than cash is worth it to you. When starting out, there are many things that are more valuable than cash.

I think there might be a good comparison with fishing. Would you rather get paid $50 to stand on a dock and fish not really knowing how or would you rather not have that $50, get to follow a professional fisherman for a few trips and then know how to REALY fish and use those tools for the rest of your life to make more money?


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Feb 11, 2015 17:36 |  #17

benji25 wrote in post #17427542 (external link)
No it precisely says "typically" money - meaning not always.

I am saying in one way or another you are being compensated for your time. Either in money, beer, food, diapers, wine, knowledge or cigars.

Either way my point is: it is up to YOU and you alone to determine if working for something other than cash is worth it to you. When starting out, there are many things that are more valuable than cash.

I think there might be a good comparison with fishing. Would you rather get paid $50 to stand on a dock and fish not really knowing how or would you rather not have that $50, get to follow a professional fisherman for a few trips and then know how to REALY fish and use those tools for the rest of your life to make more money?

Like I said, the word you're looking for is trade, not compensation.


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Feb 11, 2015 21:50 |  #18

Personally I don't use assistants as they slow me down. Someone offering to assist for free puts me out. All the risk is my end and all the benefit theirs. It is a bad model. If I want an assistant I'll pay for one and hire someone I want who is worth paying and values what they offer themselves.

If someone wants to learn from me though I have shadowing opportunities available. They pay me to shadow me/be taught whilst I shoot a wedding. That way I am not relying on them in order to do my job. They are not working for me... they are learning from me. Having people who have financially invested in learning also means you get a higher calibre of person than you would with a free assistant. They value your expertise more (they're prepared to put their hands in their pocket).


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Feb 11, 2015 21:54 |  #19

benji25 wrote in post #17427542 (external link)
Either way my point is: it is up to YOU and you alone to determine if working for something other than cash is worth it to you. When starting out, there are many things that are more valuable than cash.

Education has value. Education for labour is a reasonable trade IMO.

A lot depends on the nature of the assistant as to what is fair as such... bag carrier/gopher or more than than.


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Feb 12, 2015 08:47 |  #20

Annie Leibovitz is using unpaid interns all the time and I don't think they complain about it. The ability to work alongside her is priceless.


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Feb 19, 2015 18:19 as a reply to  @ post 17427130 |  #21

Wells put LLoyd!


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