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Feb 12, 2015 13:37 |  #16

Agree that the 55-250 lens is the best telephoto lens for the money.

The cheapest way to get a really long telephoto is a mirror lens. They cost between $100-200, and for that you get a manual focusing prime. 500mm f6.3 is pretty common, as well as 800mm f8. Image quality isn't nearly as good as a standard lens, and they definitely aren't vacation lenses, but they do give you a lot of zoom for pennies on the dollar.

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Feb 12, 2015 13:59 |  #17

I owned a Samyang 500mm Mirror lens for awhile but found it nearly impossible to get a decent looking image from it.

The $100 Samyang 500mm "preset" telephoto does get surprising good results with proper technique. Stopping down to f/16 and using a tripod in good light makes a world of difference.

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Feb 12, 2015 14:04 |  #18

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Well, I think I'm learning, or at least am getting my photographic impulses reigned in a little. I came across a Tamron 200-500mm older lens for a Canon that would work with my 60D but did not have any IS. Seemed somewhat okay in the store, zoom function felt okay, focusing seemed okay, but definitely felt a bit dated to me. Looked nice and impressive, but decided I'd be better off holding off until I get my lens budget closer to a used 150-600 Tamron or Canon 100-400L.

Back to my daydreams of long lenses....

how much were they selling it for? the good thing about buying used is that you can use the lens for an extended period of time, and then typically sell it for nearly the same price...sometimes more, sometimes less

buying an older lens without IS would allow you to work on long lens technique, and just make it that much easier when you are able to afford one of the newer lenses...

of course if you're going to be able to buy one within weeks, then it doesn't make much sense...but if you're talking 6 months or more, i'd consider getting the lens


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Feb 12, 2015 14:19 |  #19

They were asking $400, not sure how firm they were on the price.


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Feb 12, 2015 15:04 |  #20

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They were asking $400, not sure how firm they were on the price.

and your initial budget was $300? i'd try and bargain with them a bit, but looking at ebay completed listings, i think you'd have no problem getting that money back


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Feb 12, 2015 15:09 |  #21

treebound wrote in post #17428881 (external link)
Well, I think I'm learning, or at least am getting my photographic impulses reigned in a little. I came across a Tamron 200-500mm older lens for a Canon that would work with my 60D but did not have any IS. Seemed somewhat okay in the store, zoom function felt okay, focusing seemed okay, but definitely felt a bit dated to me. Looked nice and impressive, but decided I'd be better off holding off until I get my lens budget closer to a used 150-600 Tamron or Canon 100-400L.

Back to my daydreams of long lenses....

I gave up my dreams of being allowed to spend the big money on major glass. Like you, I had the Nifty 250 and liked it. I wound up giving it to my daughter and getting the (strangely maligned here) 70-300mm IS USM for $275, used, locally. In practice, I find it actually sharper than the 55-250 at the long end. I do miss the 3ft minimum focusing distance, though.
I managed to pick up a copy of the Tamron 200-400 f/5.6 LD IF (the lens that predates the 200-500mm) for $150. It seems to perform better on my 50D better than my 30D.
The lens is heavy as sin (use a tripod or monopod), AF is slow (birds in flight? Ha! No.), however....it has given me some decent results...even with a Tamron 1.4X AF converter.

Examples of my Tamron 200-400mm with a Tamron-F AF 1.4 Tele-converter:

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Feb 12, 2015 15:49 |  #22

I saw your photos in a different thread and thought they looked great. I've currently got a few things posted locally on craigslist, which if sold will allow me to hit the $1,000 price point. I might wander back to the camera shop with my 60D and a monopod and see if they'll let me take the lens for a lunchtime walk outside, assuming they still have it whenever I get back there.


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Feb 12, 2015 19:32 as a reply to  @ treebound's post |  #23

Ha! I guess I'm starting to sound like a broken record in regards to this lens.
To tell the truth, I lucked out and got a good copy; even then, it can have focusing issues with my 30D.
The 50D has never had a problem.

If you do get to try out a lens, make sure you are able to evaluate the resulting images on your computer...not just your camera LCD. I think hate having the situation where I think, "Nailed it!" looking at the LCD only to find things looking decidedly soft once downloaded to the computer.


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Feb 13, 2015 11:32 |  #24

One idea would be to pick up a cheap but good quality manual prime. The Tamron 300mm 5.6 is a good choice. Good quality at 5.6 but excellent at f8. It has a close MFD as well. A very lightweight lens that should set you back $75 to $140.




  
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Feb 13, 2015 11:56 |  #25

"treebound" the Thread Starter already has a 55-250mm so adding a 300mm won't give him much more reach. The EF-S 55-250mm is such a good lens at such a low price that there really is no low cost way to add any more reach.

Any good option is going to cost a lot of money.


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Feb 13, 2015 12:53 |  #26

the 150-600 is a good idea. I figure when sigma releases their contemporary version, both tamron and sigma's will have to fight for best my purchase. Win win for everyone. If budget is a concern, you can pick up a second hand tamron for a reasonable price. The sigma seems like a more complete package, since it's optimized for panning, but who knows how it fairs optically. Either way, options are looking real good these days, quality 600mm lenses for consumers... who knew?


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Feb 13, 2015 13:06 |  #27

Yep, after having slept on the thoughts and plans, and after bringing my camera to work with me and getting the battery charged up with intentions of checking out the 200-500 during lunch with it mounted on my camera and monopod, I pretty much decided to hold off on it and to keep squirreling away spare funds to get something newer with IS since I also want more reach for sporting events in addition to photographing birds and wildlife.

Knowing myself I'll still keep an eye open on what's available in local stores and on craigslist and might just change my mind again, but for now I think I'm holding out until I get the budget balance increased. Plus there are other things on my shopping list which may come first, many of which are also photography related.


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Feb 13, 2015 23:38 |  #28

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Yep, after having slept on the thoughts and plans, and after bringing my camera to work with me and getting the battery charged up with intentions of checking out the 200-500 during lunch with it mounted on my camera and monopod, I pretty much decided to hold off on it and to keep squirreling away spare funds to get something newer with IS since I also want more reach for sporting events in addition to photographing birds and wildlife.

Knowing myself I'll still keep an eye open on what's available in local stores and on craigslist and might just change my mind again, but for now I think I'm holding out until I get the budget balance increased. Plus there are other things on my shopping list which may come first, many of which are also photography related.

Heya,

Other options are to look at things like:

Canon EF 200 F2.8L prime, look for original MKI version, they are often as low as $300~400 depending on overall shape. But they take very well to extenders, and that would give you a fast, light, 400 F5.6 and 200 F2.8 in a single package. Not a zoom. But is much faster than a zoom. Worth hunting for.

Tokina 300 F4 ATX, generally around $400. Takes a 1.4x TC and becomes a 420mm F5.6, or 300 F4.

Sigma 50-500 can be found near the $500~600 mark at times, if you just shop.

Sigma 120-400 generally around $500~600.

Takumar 300 F4 and 400 F4 can be found from $100~400 depending on condition. Manual, but sharp.

The reality is, big reach comes at a big cost because it takes big glass.

The cheapest serious reach really right now is the Tamron 150-600, as you get real 600mm at $1k mark that is sharp and fast enough for general use with VC and AF.

The 55-250 STM is probably the better inexpensive reach lens until you can save up and afford something twice or three times as long that costs from $600~$1k really.

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Feb 21, 2015 18:12 as a reply to  @ post 17408779 |  #29

I'll add that the inexpensive Tamron SP 70-300mm f/3.5-5.6 VC is an optically decent (and perhaps preferable) alternative to Canon's non-L offerings.

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