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Feb 20, 2015 14:47 |  #1

Hi folks

Getting back into my photography lately and want to start using flash. Looking at macro use for now but sure I'll want it for other things too soon enough.

So it seems the YongNuo are the ones to look at but I'm getting really lost in the models and options!

I want to be able to use off camera and may want to expand to use more than one flash.

Can anybody advise the best option that won't cost the earth?

Thanks all.

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Feb 20, 2015 16:35 |  #2

Manual only? Or do you need ETTL? HSS? Wireless (radio vs ir)?

For macro, you may want to look into the different options for ring flashes.


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Feb 20, 2015 16:44 |  #3

Hi, Maybe look at Yn622-TX / Yn622Cs with Yn 568Ex-IIs. Your 20D would be a "Type B" camera. See Clive's 'The Other YN-622C User Guide'.

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Consider Phottix Odins with any Canon Ex Speedlites or a Mitros+ 'Plus'. I still use my old 20D with those triggers and ancient 550Exs - simply great, stable & good range.




  
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Feb 20, 2015 17:23 |  #4

If you want manual flashes with remote capability I can't recommend the YN560IV's + YN560-TX enough.

I just bought these and wow are they easy to use. And SUPER cost effective.

If you want TTL control, the other suggestions are good.


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Feb 20, 2015 21:57 |  #5

nes_matt wrote in post #17441398 (external link)
If you want manual flashes with remote capability I can't recommend the YN560IV's + YN560-TX.

You can't? From your second statement I'm assuming that first statement was miss typed.

Figure out if you want or need ETTL or just manual flash. If you just need manual the 560 is the way to go. If you need ETTL then there is the 565ex and 568ex. The 568ex has ETTL and high speed sync.

I usually recommend, for afirst flash, that the person gets a flash that offers ETTL and manual controls. Though if you don't need ETTL you can get 2 560's for about the same price as a 568ex. So it's up to you.




  
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Feb 21, 2015 00:30 |  #6

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I love my Yongnuo 560IIIs. I use their triggers too. I'm an all manual shooter.




  
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Feb 21, 2015 03:11 |  #7

Thanks everyone for your thoughts so far.

Other posts I've read have suggested that I should be looking at manual flash rather than ETTL. So far I've understood that ETTL comes into optimal use on moving subjects such as sports. Am I right with this?

As for HSS, well, I guess it would be useful but I was thinking about starting simple (and cheaper!) I belive I need to go to the 568ex if I for HSS.

Once I've found me feet as it were I'm guessing I could add a second flash and get a 568ex then so that I also have HSS?

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Feb 21, 2015 04:11 |  #8

I use the YN568EX along with the YN560EX. Both have ETTL with HSS. I trigger with the 622s. Love the whole setup! I like the ability to control the flash ratios in camera. I use them off-camera outdoors sometimes, so HSS is a must for me. I also use the triggers with my Alien Bees strobes in studio. They are really good and reasonably priced!


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Feb 21, 2015 04:43 as a reply to  @ AndyW's post |  #9

" .. I could add a second flash and get a 568ex then so that I also have HSS? .. "

Er, only up to a point. A radio trigger network generally operates at the lowest common tech. So a Manual 'Wake-up-and-fire-now' trigger will not generally allow HSS just because a single Speedlite is HSS capable.

Also Manual flash comes in 2 flavours: 1) Manual with the power adjustments made on the remote speedlite using its own buttons/screen & 2) Remotely adjusted Manual flash, with the power adjustments made from the camera/TX combo position, by Group, typically A, B or C etc., up to ?5 - a luxury, but very handy!

A 20D is still a nice camera but its lack of full flash control menu has implications, as mentioned above. Cheers




  
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Feb 21, 2015 08:02 |  #10

If I were just starting to get into flashes, I'd opt for the Yongnuo 600 series flashes and transmitter. I think one would get the most versatility with them. You many not need (or want) ETTL, HSS, etc now but as some point you will get interested in those features.


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Feb 21, 2015 08:59 |  #11

gremlin75 wrote in post #17441730 (external link)
You can't? From your second statement I'm assuming that first statement was miss typed.

"Sorry, can't recommend them ENOUGH" was what I meant to say.


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Feb 21, 2015 23:30 |  #12

AndyW wrote in post #17441982 (external link)
Other posts I've read have suggested that I should be looking at manual flash rather than ETTL. So far I've understood that ETTL comes into optimal use on moving subjects such as sports. Am I right with this?

ETTL is good for more the just sports. Any time your flash to subject distance is constantly changing ETTL is a very useful tool. So a thing like events, weddings, kids playing, ect.




  
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Mar 05, 2015 15:40 |  #13

Thank you all for the advice so far. It is appreciated.

I've gone for a YN560iii which arrived today! :-)

Naturally I've already tested. On camera and off camera as a slave to the built in to see how it goes.

Interesting working fully manual and trying different powers, seeing the effects.

I don't like to assume anything so please forgive a silly question!

I take it that it is purely trial and error to get the exposure just right? Practice makes perfect and I realise over time experience will lead to less error!

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Mar 05, 2015 15:49 |  #14

If you don't have a flash meter, then yes. Trial and error. But try this. Set your flash to 1/8 pwr and place it 8 feet away from your subject. Then set your camera on F8 and snap a picture. If that looks good then use this as a base and adjust from there. If you need a stop more light then either set flash to 1/4 or move the light closer. 5.6 feet away should be about a stop. Once you have the base, you can calculate what you need from there and get close.


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Mar 05, 2015 16:23 as a reply to  @ GeeMack's post |  #15

Thank you GeeMack.

That's just what I thought and just the sort of tip I need to help get things moving.

Here's to a new world of fun.


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