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B and Z - how do you people do this all the time?

 
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Mar 09, 2015 20:33 |  #16

nathancarter wrote in post #17467692 (external link)
:lol: I can't tell if you're being dry-witty here or not.

Bridgette and Zach got married, presumably just once. Matt (OP) photographed their wedding, probably for free or almost-free.

Matt is spent after a long day of hard work, and wonders how professional wedding photographers photograph many weddings without dying of exhaustion.


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Bridgette and Zach got married. Once. I assumed this was evident from the forum I posted in.

Also, added (3) more to the original post.


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Mar 10, 2015 12:46 |  #17

my comment is concerning DoF and shooting groups

looking at your data, you shot the group at F5, 24mm, 1/200

if I use my 24-70 to guesstimate your distance from the bride in the front row - my guess is 6ft

at 6ft, 24mm at F5, you have a Depth of Field of 7.8ft - with 'basically' 2ft in front and 5.8ft back of the center point

my guess, looking at the photo, is that you picked your critical focus point to be the bride (as most would) but in this case at F5 you should have picked the guy in the 2nd row, or reduced sync speed to 1/60, dropped to F8 - and then you would have had plenty of DoF for the people in the back row

I was doing a lot of experimenting with very narrow DoF 2 years ago, adjusting my lens with MFA to move the DoF around to get what I wanted, and it made me much more aware when shooting groups of very often choosing someone in the second row, depending on Aperture / etc when shooting groups at weddings

I also found it far better to have a few hard rules of thumb to simplifying things when shooting groups in terms of knowing the numbers cold. Below are 4 common situations where it is technically better to not focus on the Bride in the Front row but focus behind her:


1) VERY tight space 24mm Group Shot at 8ft (lots of people in background - similar to your group shot)
- [24mm/F8] = 8ft hyperfocal distance = 4ft to infinity is DoF - aim at person in 2nd row
- as a general rule, I try and avoid 24mm on people unless it is necessary, if it is - it is

2) Tight space 35mm Group Shot at 10ft - 2 rows of people
- [35mm/F4] = 6.5ft DoF
- nose of nearest person in 2nd row just behind the Bride

3) Tight space 35mm Group Shot at 10ft - more than 2 rows
- [35mm/F8] = 18ft of DoF
- person in the 2nd row

4) More Space 50mm Group Shot at 15ft
- [50mm/ F4] = 7ft DoF = noise of person in 2nd row just behind the bride

5) More Space 50mm Big Group at 15ft
- [50mm / F8] = 16ft DoF = nose of person 5ft behind Bride

It takes a little bit of trust and frankly practice pictures to become comfortable not focusing on the Bride in group shots but often just behind her - do not throw away the critical in focus depth of field in front of the focus point if you need more rearwards - just find someone, often in the 2nd row and focus on them - but you will want to keep it simple and have goto apertures and focal lengths so you are 100% confident - it isn't hard - embrace focusing just behind the bride when needed.

There are caveats to the above suggestions - and often it comes down to available light and needing wider apertures or wider apertures for DoF control to blur backgrounds. But, if this is the case, then it is even more important to know your numbers and often even more important to be able to pick a point at the back of the bride's head so that you are not throwing away ANY critical infocus DoF as every mm counts. At 100mm, 2.8 at 15ft you have 1.1 feet of critical in focus DoF - aiming at the Bride's ear will allow you to still have her eyes in focus and the groom's as well assuming he is in a pose just behind her


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Mar 10, 2015 20:20 as a reply to  @ wallstreetoneil's post |  #18

Wow! what a great helpful reply! Thank you for the pointer.

You are right I focused on the bride.


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Mar 12, 2015 23:05 as a reply to  @ post 17467692 |  #19

I'm looking at my weekend coming up and wondering if I actually MIGHT die of exhaustion by Sunday night. Good luck to everyone out there shooting this weekend :-)


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Apr 02, 2015 00:36 |  #20

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17468994 (external link)
my comment is concerning DoF and shooting groups

Great info in this post, thanks. Apologies for bumping the thread.

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Apr 02, 2015 14:39 |  #21

Very good job for a non-pro! I'm sure your couple will be pleased. Pretty sure most others in your position wouldn't care to do the same research and work pre-wedding in order to get the same quality work. ;-)a


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Apr 04, 2015 16:42 |  #22

Not the best I have seen, but definitely not the worst. I can tell you my first wedding was far, far worse!

All the stress and worry goes away with practice and experience, in the end apart from the physical effort it actually becomes quite relaxing, it does for me anyway! Stick with it.


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Apr 04, 2015 17:27 as a reply to  @ post 17467692 |  #23

I can't seem to delete this accidental post so I'll just say, I knew exactly what the thread title meant before clicking the thread.

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Apr 08, 2015 07:43 |  #24

I think your technical work is pretty good. With the suggestions here, you should be able to tweak your process.

My only comment is you may want to think a bit on the posing. The subjects were positioned OK, but they seem to come across a bit "stiff" in their posing. For example, the shot with the bride in the foreground and the groom towards back-right (near the cross), the groom is standing with his arms just dangling at his sides. If he could have positioned his arms with a bent elbow, or some other more natural looking pose I think the whole image would be improved.

Bear in mind I'm no professional by any means, but I have been reading up on posing and wedding/portrait work (in hopes of joining the fray). Posing seems to be that extra touch that takes a 95% picture and makes it a 100% picture.

Overall, I think you did a great job. There is lots of good advice in your thread here, I just thought that the posing aspect is something to remember as well.


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