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Mar 12, 2015 11:42 as a reply to  @ post 17471769 |  #16

Hi,

Yes, as I mentioned, the 16-35 f/4 L is next on the list.




  
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Mar 12, 2015 12:33 |  #17

Roxie2401 wrote in post #17471771 (external link)
Nick,

Thanks for the great advice. If you have time, any additional comments about the 1.4 III vs. the 2x III? If I'm correct I currently only have one lens that the teleconverter will work with - the 70-200 f/2.8 L II.

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The 70-200mm is probably the only lens in your collection that you would want to use a teleconverter with anyway. Whether you need a 1.4x or 2.0x depends on how much additional reach you need versus the amount of light gathering you are willing to give up. The 1.4 will get you to 280mm with a maximum aperture of f/4 while the 2.0x will get you to 400mm with a maximum aperture of f/5.6. You will also lose a little more image quality and auto focus speed with the 2.0x over the 1.4x, but with that lens you may not even notice the difference it that regard.


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Mar 12, 2015 21:42 |  #18

Roxie2401 wrote in post #17471792 (external link)
Hi,

Yes, as I mentioned, the 16-35 f/4 L is next on the list.

Me too!

I'd like to dump the 7D + 3 EFs lenses including the 10-22 in favor of the FF equiv. OMG, if only Canon would put a pop-up flash on their FF, I'd never look back.

To me, the "crop factor" is mostly just hype. Crop in post does the same thing. I've been shooting outdoor soccer on FF with 200mm for 5 years without regret. First stop in post - crop the first shot and replicate the crop on all.

To me, the lighter and cheaper EFs lens lineup is the only justification for a crop camera.


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Mar 12, 2015 21:46 |  #19

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To me, the "crop factor" is mostly just hype. Crop in post does the same thing. I've been shooting outdoor soccer on FF with 200mm for 5 years without regret. First stop in post - crop the first shot and replicate the crop on all.

So basically you like lower resolution crops with less pixels.

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Mar 13, 2015 01:03 |  #20

MalVeauX wrote in post #17472549 (external link)
So basically you like lower resolution crops with less pixels.

Very best,

24mp on FF gives plenty of room to crop vs. 18mp on a 1.6 sensor and the FF is still cleaner (after crop).

The FF must have bigger pixels or something; it just makes an evener noise transition on the dark areas and takes the higher ISO better. The Canon crop sensors just seem to be pushing the boundaries of physics with those tiny pixels.

After several years of taking 10s of thousands of photos on both my crop & FF, I've just settled on the FF as even or better for all circumstances. Maybe a birder would disagree; and the advanced AF on the 7Dii can't be ignored either, but I see a crop as (literally) a scaled down FF, period.


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Mar 13, 2015 01:48 |  #21

Sell the 70-300 and buy the 100-400L r2. Net cost is within $200 of the 7DII and you have a much higher quality and faster-focusing lens with great IS on a great body. Then crop in post if you need the tighter POV to make up the lost 80mm.

Unless you need 10FPS I think you'd get the best bang for your buck from new glass.


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Mar 13, 2015 06:51 |  #22

NBEast wrote in post #17472544 (external link)
Me too!

I'd like to dump the 7D + 3 EFs lenses including the 10-22 in favor of the FF equiv. OMG, if only Canon would put a pop-up flash on their FF, I'd never look back.

I can count the number of times I used the pop-up flash on my 7D on one hand. Get yourself an external flash -- you'll be much happier and will never miss the pop-up flash. If you want something small, the 270EX works much better than any built-in flash and is compact for travel or carrying in your pocket. I have one for when I want to travel light (works well on my EOS M, too), and a 430EX II for when I need more light.


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Mar 13, 2015 07:42 |  #23

Roxie2401 wrote in post #17471767 (external link)
Charlie,

I wasn't intentionally "skimping" on glass. My first digital was the 40D with the EF-S 17-85. The lens collection has been a situation of "add as you have the funds." The first tele was the 70-300 non-L and back then it was the best I could afford. Same with the macro - they didn't have the new one with the IS then. The 24-105L came with the 5D3 and then I added the 70-200 f/2.8 II.

200-400 are really out of the price range right now; and maybe even the new 100-400.

I have been thinking about the 1.4 III converter but maybe should look at the 2x III.

This is a very slow, deliberate process for me and I tend to buy the very best I can afford when I do finally make a decision.

I'd be interested to hear more about the 1.4 vs. 2x tele, if you have time.

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the 1.4xiii is borderline perfect, hard to detect any flaws, however, only gets you to 280mm. The 2xiii is good probably still better than a raw lens on an APS-C camera.

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in a pinch, I dont hesitate to use the combo, and while it's not as good as the 100-400ii, having a lens that can do 2.8 AND reach to 400 is really nice.

I originally had the tamron 150-600, which had surprisingly good IQ, however, I ditched it because it was overly large and cumbersome. IQ certainly better than the 70-200 + 2xiii, however, the 70-200 combo is quite competent, and it's smaller and easier to pack.


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Mar 13, 2015 08:50 |  #24

Scott M wrote in post #17471874 (external link)
The 70-200mm is probably the only lens in your collection that you would want to use a teleconverter with anyway. Whether you need a 1.4x or 2.0x depends on how much additional reach you need versus the amount of light gathering you are willing to give up. The 1.4 will get you to 280mm with a maximum aperture of f/4 while the 2.0x will get you to 400mm with a maximum aperture of f/5.6. You will also lose a little more image quality and auto focus speed with the 2.0x over the 1.4x, but with that lens you may not even notice the difference it that regard.

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Mar 13, 2015 18:09 |  #25

Scott M wrote in post #17472910 (external link)
I can count the number of times I used the pop-up flash on my 7D on one hand. Get yourself an external flash -- you'll be much happier and will never miss the pop-up flash. If you want something small, the 270EX works much better than any built-in flash and is compact for travel or carrying in your pocket. I have one for when I want to travel light (works well on my EOS M, too), and a 430EX II for when I need more light.

LOL. I have 4 external flashes, multitude of umbrellas etc, wireless remotes, etc. If anything, I need to sell a few off.

I usually set my Pop-up into manual and use it for eyelight. For that matter; it works well as an IR controller for an off-camera flash.

However; there are times (many times) when I don't need to be the photo-geek with a massive external flash.

I realize that some people have shunned the pop-up but I find it very suitable for personal use, particularly for times I didn't haul the kitchen sink in with me in anticipation of getting caught in the dark.

If I'm at Disneyland with my family; just bringing a DSLR is bad enough! At least I can use the extra camera bag pouches for a water bottle and a snack. The pop-up adds that little something to the shot. I always use Manual exposure and setting exposure a stop low usually does the trick without even having to mess with manual flash settings.


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