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Mar 24, 2015 16:04 |  #976

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17489836 (external link)
...to you.

Not everything in the world is relative or subjective. It's not 'to me', or to anyone else. It's absolute.

It's a technology which gives you blacker blacks *and* brighter whites - the brightness of the brightest-achievable white is also brighter in absolute terms, not just in comparison to the darkest achievable black. So, whether you want contrast, DR or just brghtness, it still does better than any LCD.




  
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Mar 24, 2015 16:12 |  #977

Shadowblade wrote in post #17490304 (external link)
Not everything in the world is relative or subjective. It's not 'to me', or to anyone else. It's absolute.

It's a technology which gives you blacker blacks *and* brighter whites - the brightness of the brightest-achievable white is also brighter in absolute terms, not just in comparison to the darkest achievable black. So, whether you want contrast, DR or just brghtness, it still does better than any LCD.

So remind me why you haven't jumped to Sony or Nikon yet? Still can't figure that out. You're like the guy driving an Accord screaming that Honda needs to make a pickup truck. Why would you rather sit on this thread and annoy everyone?


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Mar 24, 2015 16:29 |  #978

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17490315 (external link)
So remind me why you haven't jumped to Sony or Nikon yet? Still can't figure that out. You're like the guy driving an Accord screaming that Honda needs to make a pickup truck. Why would you rather sit on this thread and annoy everyone?

Because I want a decent Canon body to use with all my Canon-mount lenses, so that I can use the lens correction profiles (especially CA correction) that come with software like DPP and Photoshop instead of having to manually clone out affected edges, and so that I have at least a modicum of AF for the times when i'm not shooting landscapes on a tripod. Nikon isn't an option until they release some decent tilt-shift lenses, especially a 24mm with equal shift and sharpness to the Canon version. And Sony? Well, if Canon bodies didn't have the DR problem and had come in a high-resolution version since 2012 instead of now, the A7r would never have sold nearly as well and no-one would ever had heard of Metabones. Probably the majority of professional A7r users (in fact, possibly most users) are disaffected ex-5D2 owners, many of whom bought into the Canon system from MF film.




  
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Mar 24, 2015 16:37 |  #979

Shadowblade wrote in post #17490300 (external link)
And you can't argue that it isn't designed for low-ISO image quality, since it's certainly not designed for speed and doesn't go higher than ISO 6400.

Actually, that is precisely what I'd argue. A low-ISO/high resolution sensor--take, for instance, Kodachrome II or H&W Control Film--characteristically and traditionally has a lower dynamic range than a high-ISO sensor--such as Ilford Delta Pro or Agfachrome 1600--which were characteristically higher in dynamic range.

Considering that when a journalist needs the fastest possible sensor, it will usually go along with high contrast lighting situations, and the users of the slowest films are usually providing their own lighting, that makes sense.

But at any rate, it's "as it has always been."




  
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Mar 24, 2015 16:39 |  #980

Which is an understandable frustration Shadowblade, but when you bought all those lenses you were happy with Canon as a system, and it's just not reasonable to expect canon to be the best at everything all the time, manufacturers are always going to be jumping over each other, that's the nature of technology. How many people bought ipod docks for everything few years ago, now the iphone is an 'average' smartphone, and doesn't even have that style of dock anymore.

The real quandary would be what if Nikon brought out an awesome T&S lens, Sony sorted the lossy compression, and Canon improved the DR, what would happen then?


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Mar 24, 2015 16:57 |  #981

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17490283 (external link)
new video, probably worth watching in HD.

That was nicely done. Looks very impressive.

I still haven't pre-ordered yet, but may do that today. What's the worst that can happen? I don't like it and I ship it back to the retailer for a full refund. No problem. :)

Sony. (hehe...just had to say it to add to alter your thread statistics... :lol: )


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Mar 24, 2015 17:30 |  #982

Shadowblade wrote in post #17490340 (external link)
Because I want a decent Canon body to use with all my Canon-mount lenses, so that I can use the lens correction profiles (especially CA correction) that come with software like DPP and Photoshop instead of having to manually clone out affected edges, and so that I have at least a modicum of AF for the times when i'm not shooting landscapes on a tripod. Nikon isn't an option until they release some decent tilt-shift lenses, especially a 24mm with equal shift and sharpness to the Canon version. And Sony? Well, if Canon bodies didn't have the DR problem and had come in a high-resolution version since 2012 instead of now, the A7r would never have sold nearly as well and no-one would ever had heard of Metabones. Probably the majority of professional A7r users (in fact, possibly most users) are disaffected ex-5D2 owners, many of whom bought into the Canon system from MF film.

Don't see why you can't do that in Lightroom. And why aren't you then off complaining on Nikon and Sony forums about their lack of lenses? Seriously, life is tough. You don't have the perfect camera system. No one makes the exact car I want either. Life's tough all around.


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Mar 24, 2015 23:26 |  #983

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17490283 (external link)
new video, probably worth watching in HD.

Thanks for posting this. The main thing I got out of it is that he uses resin filters. Let's hear what the PS-is-better-than-correcting-in-the-field boys have to say.


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Mar 25, 2015 04:27 |  #984

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Thanks for posting this. The main thing I got out of it is that he uses resin filters. Let's hear what the PS-is-better-than-correcting-in-the-field boys have to say.

It's an interesting video, but obviously 95% marketing (no shame in that; it's the purpose of that sort of material).

It did occur to me that it'd be funny if the film had ended (after all the gushing praise) with him adding "...but I'm using filters 'cause the dynamic range really blows"

...before the shot fades to black and you hear him asking his assistant "where's my D810?" ;-)a


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Mar 25, 2015 07:03 |  #985

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Thanks for posting this. The main thing I got out of it is that he uses resin filters. Let's hear what the PS-is-better-than-correcting-in-the-field boys have to say.

Filters are all well and good, until you encounter an uneven horizon, have trees/buildings/mounta​ins sticking up through the horizon or don't have a horizon at all, but a strongly-backlit subject you can't fill with flash. Or when you want to shoot an angle of view wide enough that the extra ND effect in the corners, due to passing through a greater thickness of filter, causes significant vignetting. Or when you want to stitch a panorama using a non-tilt-shift lens. Or when adding the filter gives you lens flare which wasn't present with the lens alone.




  
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Mar 25, 2015 08:57 |  #986

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17490401 (external link)
Don't see why you can't do that in Lightroom. And why aren't you then off complaining on Nikon and Sony forums about their lack of lenses? Seriously, life is tough. You don't have the perfect camera system. No one makes the exact car I want either. Life's tough all around.

Many lenses have complex, nonlinear CA patterns that can't be corrected without a proper profile. Using the slider in Photoshop overcorrects some parts and undercorrects others.

Who said I don't complain about Nikon's lack of tilt-shift options. I've been bemoaning that fact since the D800 was released - it was the only thing stopping me jumping ship then, and still the only thing now. But the demand for tilt-shift lenses (used only by specialised architectural, product and a few landscape photographers) is far lower than the demand for better, industry-standard-matching DR (which benefits anyone who shoots at low ISO and can't control their lighting), so it's understandable that Nikon has ignored it. Maybe Sigma or Zeiss could do it, since their product would find users on all sorts of bodies, not just Nikon ones.




  
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Mar 25, 2015 09:15 |  #987

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That was hyperbole, right?

Why would that be hyperbole? I too value DR far more than resolution (even when I plan on printing at 36" wide) as sensors that are now considered "old" have plenty of resolution for that. As a landscape photographer, if I am going to spending money on a new camera, resolution would be far down the list of features that would entice me to part with my money. Shadow recovery would be at the very top of that list.


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Mar 25, 2015 09:29 |  #988

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Why would that be hyperbole? I too value DR far more than resolution (even when I plan on printing at 36" wide) as sensors that are now considered "old" have plenty of resolution for that. As a landscape photographer, if I am going to spending money on a new camera, resolution would be far down the list of features that would entice me to part with my money. Shadow recovery would be at the very top of that list.

Thing is, you don't have to choose between them. Nikon/Sony, not to mention MFDBs, have shown that you can have both high DR and high resolution at the same time.




  
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Mar 25, 2015 10:32 |  #989

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Many lenses have complex, nonlinear CA patterns that can't be corrected without a proper profile. Using the slider in Photoshop overcorrects some parts and undercorrects others.

Who said I don't complain about Nikon's lack of tilt-shift options. I've been bemoaning that fact since the D800 was released - it was the only thing stopping me jumping ship then, and still the only thing now. But the demand for tilt-shift lenses (used only by specialised architectural, product and a few landscape photographers) is far lower than the demand for better, industry-standard-matching DR (which benefits anyone who shoots at low ISO and can't control their lighting), so it's understandable that Nikon has ignored it. Maybe Sigma or Zeiss could do it, since their product would find users on all sorts of bodies, not just Nikon ones.

So, you just sit around complaining all the time about everything? Awesome. Like I said, life is tough. Do you blow up threads on Nikon forums all the time?


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Mar 25, 2015 10:40 |  #990

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So, you just sit around complaining all the time about everything? Awesome. Like I said, life is tough. Do you blow up threads on Nikon forums all the time?

Nope.

Because no-one there argues that the Nikon PC-E 24 is in any way competitive, or that you can somehow bypass a technical limitation of the equipment by working on skill and composition.




  
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