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Turnmoil over buying two 600ex-rt and one st-e3-rt for 800... VS. two of my B400s

 
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Apr 02, 2015 08:12 |  #1

I have landed a great price from a local guy selling two 600s and a st-e3-rt with two rogue flash bender large, a rogue gel kit all for 800 bucks.

My problem is I was planning on buying the mini vagabond to use my strobes outdoor, well one strobe. I was gonna use my 24" softbox, B800 and the vagabond for some on location shots. Right now my studio setup is two B400s and two B800s. I'll use the two B800s mostly for the two softboxes I have and the two B400s only get used for when I need to hit the background with white.

But now considering I saw this deal I was thinking of maybe selling the two B400s and my 430ex which should net me around 400 fairly easy so my total investment into the 2 600s/E3 with the flashbenders would only be 400 from where I am at now (mind you I was going to spend 250 on a vagabond which really means only 150 more than what I was going to spend)

I could always use the 600s to flash the background and I don't use my studio stuff daily maybe once a month is all really. I think it's a fair compromise to gain two wireless 600s and the transmitter could come in real handy for some running and gunning or wedding stuff. Right now my only speedlight is a single 430 so I would def gain some power. I have a three way strobe adapter so I can put two together for more output too.

Just not sure if even two 600s and the convienence of the controller would outweigh the power of a vagabond/softbox/b800 and the hassle of transporting the larger strobe setup compared to the dual 600s.

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Apr 02, 2015 08:21 |  #2

I would sell the the two B400and the 430 and grab those 600's. While they'll never compare to the power of a strobe and the range of modifiers they have whole lot more than the 430. Ive see holders where you can have up to 4 flashes powering a softbox as well. The convenience of a lightweight battery powered setup versus an external battery pack is a plus, but I think there will always be a situation where you need the power of strobe so I would keep the B800's. Unless you like me and really needed a piece of gear 3 weeks after you sold it......




  
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Apr 02, 2015 08:33 |  #3

Yeah, what he said.

I just got my second 600 yesterday and picked up the ST-E3-RT a few weeks ago. I'm stoked.


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Apr 02, 2015 08:48 |  #4

Ya I figured the "portable, ease of use and versatilty" would win pretty strong. I could sell two of my strip boxes taht I never use too to help cover some expense

2 B400s - 300
430ex - 100
two 24" stripboxes - 200

I'm only out 200 bucks then.

Ya I'm gonna do it. The ability to control flash power etc from the st-e3 is going to be a huge plus for me.

I have a 3 way flash adapter so I may pick up a 3rd and look at some kinda of 24" octobox or something for field work. Literally I would only use this setup once a month or once every two months so the battery thing is not an issue for me. I suppose there is battery packs I can get too if I ever needed the juice.


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Apr 02, 2015 08:58 |  #5

something as simple as this would work well with what I already have. http://www.phottixstor​e.com …x-varos-xs-combo-kit.html (external link)

not sure the quality but for the price it's worth a shot. Need to find something like this in an octobox that I can tilt though.


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Apr 02, 2015 09:06 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #6

Says not for sale in the USA???

I would go for this type : http://www.amazon.com …+way+flash+hold​er+softbox (external link)

U can use and bowens type flash modifiers on it

http://www.amazon.com …TF8&qid=1427983​357&sr=1-4 (external link)

No idea on how good either brand is but they look very similar in quality to the falcon eyes ones i have which its not too bad, but Im pretty gentle and never lend gear out either.




  
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Apr 02, 2015 09:08 |  #7

Try one of these:

http://www.amazon.com …ftbox-110cm/dp/B00E3PBXKY (external link)

http://www.amazon.com …ywords=fotodiox​+ez+bowens (external link)

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Apr 02, 2015 09:12 |  #8

Thanks for the links guys. I have a three speedlight hotshoe adapter for a light stand already. I'd probably look for something that can work with it. It was a costly all metal design but it's bulletproof.

I'm careful with my gear too and never lend anything out.... but stuff happens (drunkies falling on yo gear)


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Apr 02, 2015 09:54 |  #9

What you need to fundamentally recognize is that you have on your hands the classic 'studio strobe vs. speedlight' argument to resolve in your own head.

Right now your 'studio' needs for light #3 and #4 is quite simplistic...white light on background, "the two B400s only get used for when I need to hit the background with white."

There are far more sophisticated uses for light #3 and #4 than merely blasting white light at a white background...

  • shaped light falling selectively on background
  • gelled light falling on background
  • hair light
  • rim light


So key to your decision is the realization/dedication that 'you are serious about studio style lighting to do quality portraiture', or the recognition that you are 'merely illuminating things' in getting rid of a studio light for a speedlight.

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Apr 02, 2015 09:59 |  #10

Wilt wrote in post #17501910 (external link)
What you need to fundamentally recognize is that you have on your hands the classic 'studio strobe vs. speedlight' argument to resolve in your own head.

Right now your 'studio' needs for light #3 and #4 is quite simplistic...white light on background, "the two B400s only get used for when I need to hit the background with white."

There are far more sophisticated uses for light #3 and #4 than merely blasting white light at a white background...

  • shaped light falling selectively on background
  • gelled light falling on background
  • hair light
  • rim light


So key to your decision is the realization if 'you are serious about studio style lighting' or the recognition that you are 'mere illuminating things' in getting rid of a studio light for a speedlight.

Excellent excellent points.

1. I need to learn way more on studio stuff but it's difficult without dedicated space. My wife and I are talking about turning the garage into a dedicated space so my learning and creativity and testing will really improve.
2. I literally just got my gels a week ago so now I can work on coloring my grey seamless
3. yes, need to work on hair/rim light but my experience tells me I really need some honeycombs to help with that but haven't bought any yet.


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Apr 02, 2015 10:27 |  #11

Talley, I just went the opposite way, selling 2 of my 600s and St-e3 for strobes. While the 600s worked well in studio, outside I didn't find them appealing. They become somewhat limited due to power when using mods unless all you do is shoot in the shade. To me, that was too limiting.

As a side note, though, let me know what type of strips you have. I might be interested.


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Apr 02, 2015 11:39 |  #12

huntersdad wrote in post #17501953 (external link)
Talley, I just went the opposite way, selling 2 of my 600s and St-e3 for strobes. While the 600s worked well in studio, outside I didn't find them appealing. They become somewhat limited due to power when using mods unless all you do is shoot in the shade. To me, that was too limiting.

As a side note, though, let me know what type of strips you have. I might be interested.

Understood and that was my only turnmoil. the power limiting factor.... although for indoor I've never really had major issues using a 430 for the enviroments I'm in other then sometimes I would notice the flash firing full power but I don't encounter that much. Would be nice to have a single 600 to replace the 430 just for the power increase so I'm not hitting full pops in those same scenarios.


The two strips I have are the Paul C Buff 24"x10" foldable strips with the grids I only used them about 6 times for some automotive stuff and haven't really used em again. Literally been in my cabinet for over a year without use.


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Apr 02, 2015 11:40 |  #13

Well I went ahead and sent the money over for the entire kit. I'll hold onto the strobes for a little while just in case I don't see the need for them.

Depends on how they do.


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