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Problems with Lee Big Stopper

 
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Apr 05, 2015 10:40 |  #1

I've been consistently having problems with my Lee Big Stopper and wondered if anyone else has experience with this or knows how to solve it.

I keep getting what I'm assuming are light leaks and spots. I was shooting yesterday at a great little spot we found but it was mid day. The tide was low though so that was the only time to shoot it while these pilings were exposed. I'll post the only decent one I got, followed by 2 examples of the kind of problems I'm having...

Here's what I am using... Canon 5DM3, Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 II... which has an 82mm filter ring. I was shooting at f/22 also. Light was overhead, very bright, but partly cloudy. I had my Lee Big Stopper (10 stops) and a Lee 1.2 (4 stops) on trying to shoot for four or five minutes as the water was very choppy. This was part of my problem as my friend was shooting for 45 seconds and the water was smooth enough... my shorter exposures looked some better too but I'd like to be able to figure out what's going on for longer ones.


Edited version: This one was 196 seconds, f/10

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Straight out of camera version:
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Another Example of problems I'm having:
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I'm so frustrated, I'm ready to sell my big stopper, and several other of their filters & equipment and just go back to some simple screw ons... but wanted to see if anyone could help me understand what I'm doing wrong before going to that extreme.

Thanks for any help. :)

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Apr 05, 2015 12:16 |  #2

Hello CHillyDoggy,

1 - You are using a Wide Angle lens. Check to see that you are using the 82mm Wide Angle Adapter Ring. There is also a Standard adapter Ring. These Adapter rings differ. The Wide Angle Adapter Ring sits closer to the front element of the camera’s lens.

2 - Also when taking your long exposure photo make sure you cover the eyepiece for a complete light seal. I have a little trigger lever on my eyepiece for my 1Ds3, for my 5d2 & 7d I use the rubber seal on the Canon straps or you can use a dark cloth of some kind.

I have experimented with the 2 above and have noticed a difference with stray light. Regards Paul


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Apr 05, 2015 12:21 |  #3

PCousins is spot on. You might also check and make sure the BS is the closest filter to the lens. Seems trivial, but sometimes overlooked.

If it's REALLY bright outside maybe some gaf tape around the filet holder? Never had that problem but it might be an issue.

Also check that the foam on the BS is pointed toward the body and in good condition. With heavy use it can wear away.

Just some thoughts. YMMV


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Apr 05, 2015 12:48 |  #4

Thanks guys! All good things to check.

PCousins: I didn't realize there were too, will check it. I have never covered the eye piece but will look into that too.

FarmerTed1971: I think it was, but will make sure it is from now on. Foam seems to be in good shape. I haven't used it a ton.

Thanks again, both of you!


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Apr 05, 2015 15:50 |  #5

PCousins wrote in post #17505278 (external link)
Hello CHillyDoggy,

1 - You are using a Wide Angle lens. Check to see that you are using the 82mm Wide Angle Adapter Ring. There is also a Standard adapter Ring. These Adapter rings differ. The Wide Angle Adapter Ring sits closer to the front element of the camera’s lens.

2 - Also when taking your long exposure photo make sure you cover the eyepiece for a complete light seal. I have a little trigger lever on my eyepiece for my 1Ds3, for my 5d2 & 7d I use the rubber seal on the Canon straps or you can use a dark cloth of some kind.

I have experimented with the 2 above and have noticed a difference with stray light. Regards Paul

AHA! The eyepiece! I was having issues like this as well. Makes a lot of sense, thanks!




  
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Apr 05, 2015 15:53 |  #6

The seal around the filter might not be 'hermetic' light-wise. This is what I do:

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=16899556


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Apr 05, 2015 16:10 |  #7

Also, be sure you're putting the big stopper in the slot closest to the lens.


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Apr 05, 2015 19:30 |  #8

Alveric: thank you! I will take all that into account! :)

EchoShotz: Will do, thanks!


Also, I find that I do have the W/A version of the 82mm ring so I won't have to spend $60 more for such a simple thing, ha ha.


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Apr 05, 2015 20:59 |  #9

Heya,

I do this all the time.

You still have to deal with flare and .... near water, small water droplets that reflect, and small pieces of sand that reflect, they will look like glints and glowing orbs, but again, lens flare is also a big deal. You're not using a lens hood with this filter unless you made one or something, so it does become an issue.

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Apr 05, 2015 23:59 |  #10

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Heya,

I do this all the time.

You still have to deal with flare and .... near water, small water droplets that reflect, and small pieces of sand that reflect, they will look like glints and glowing orbs, but again, lens flare is also a big deal. You're not using a lens hood with this filter unless you made one or something, so it does become an issue.

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Apr 06, 2015 09:38 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #11

Ah, I bet that's what some of those little spots were! Just something you try to fix in post?

Low tide is an hour before sunset this Thursday so weather permitting, I'm gonna try and do everything everyone suggested here and give it another go! :)


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Apr 08, 2015 20:49 |  #12

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Ah, I bet that's what some of those little spots were! Just something you try to fix in post?

Low tide is an hour before sunset this Thursday so weather permitting, I'm gonna try and do everything everyone suggested here and give it another go! :)

Heya,

Yea, I fix the little sand glows in post if they're there. I keep a blower handy, but the wind at the coast is always carrying sand. It's going to happen during a 2+ minute exposure. And you won't see it on LCD on the camera before you head home. I just try to blow between plates, lens, front, etc, then quickly expose and hope to not just get a gust that sits. If there's any moisture on the plates, the sand will stick.

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Apr 09, 2015 08:57 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #13

Thanks again for the help!

Also, Does it matter if the foam is facing the lens or away?


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Apr 09, 2015 09:18 |  #14

The foam should face the lens to seal off any light leaks.


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Thanks again for the help!

Also, Does it matter if the foam is facing the lens or away?

Heya,

You want the foam facing the plate system (towards lens), to seal light from coming in from around the plate which will flare. This is where the problem comes in with having stacked filters, as the other filters probably won't have foam due to the stack, which is unfortunate. In general, I try to shoot when there's no direct sun (early morning, late evening) to avoid this effect if possible. Other times, you just shoot and if there's anything try to fix it in post if possible, or live with it.

Landscape photography is all about time anyways. The place is always there. You can be there with gear. But time of day, weather condition and light quality matters most and that is just a function of time.

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