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OFFICIAL : 5DS and 5DS R Announced

 
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Apr 22, 2015 04:21 |  #1171

Xyclopx wrote in post #17526971 (external link)
You made of money man? Ha ha 3 high-end cameras would be after winning the lottery for me.

You only need 1 or 2 of them.

Either the high-res/low ISO and low-res/high ISO combination, or the general-purpose one. Or just one of them (or two of the same one) if what you shoot is more restricted.

It's no different to the 1D3/5D2 combination that used to be popular, or the D810/D4s combination.




  
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Apr 22, 2015 09:46 |  #1172

Shadowblade wrote in post #17527539 (external link)
You only need 1 or 2 of them.

Either the high-res/low ISO and low-res/high ISO combination, or the general-purpose one. Or just one of them (or two of the same one) if what you shoot is more restricted.

It's no different to the 1D3/5D2 combination that used to be popular, or the D810/D4s combination.

well said

But what canon is doing is stupid. not doing nothing for DR on there landscape/portrait high res camera is like slapping on 20 AF points on the next 1d body that shoots at 16fps.

for action u need the AF to match the fps and for landscape/portrait/lar​ge prints u need high mega pixel and high DR.


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Apr 22, 2015 19:54 |  #1173

jonneymendoza wrote in post #17527860 (external link)
well said

But what canon is doing is stupid. not doing nothing for DR on there landscape/portrait high res camera is like slapping on 20 AF points on the next 1d body that shoots at 16fps.

for action u need the AF to match the fps and for landscape/portrait/lar​ge prints u need high mega pixel and high DR.

I've been saying that all along.

Although all the high-end cameras should have the same, top-end AF system. A high-resolution camera has uses as a wildlife camera due to incredible cropability, just as an ISO monster has occasional uses in shooting landscapes when you're trying to capture stars in a night landscape without star trails.




  
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Apr 23, 2015 04:42 |  #1174

Shadowblade wrote in post #17528617 (external link)
I've been saying that all along.

Although all the high-end cameras should have the same, top-end AF system. A high-resolution camera has uses as a wildlife camera due to incredible cropability, just as an ISO monster has occasional uses in shooting landscapes when you're trying to capture stars in a night landscape without star trails.

true but Canon would never just release a 5d thats 16fps, has same build as a 1d and great ISO, megapixels etc all in one camera.


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Apr 24, 2015 00:00 as a reply to  @ post 17527346 |  #1175

Vegas Here!

I have pre-ordered and fully paid for a 5dsR as well. I mainly shoot landscape(and yes I print BIG!)

I am excited about this camera, even if some say that it's just a monster megapixel 5D3 (which I own also). The DR isn't a bother, as some pointed out that they bracket their shots, as I do as well. For a year and a half, I held off from buying a phase one, due to the large investment in L glass. I can honestly say that I'm really looking forward to the day it arrives :)

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Apr 24, 2015 01:16 |  #1176

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Vegas Here!

I have pre-ordered and fully paid for a 5dsR as well. I mainly shoot landscape(and yes I print BIG!)

I am excited about this camera, even if some say that it's just a monster megapixel 5D3 (which I own also). The DR isn't a bother, as some pointed out that they bracket their shots, as I do as well. For a year and a half, I held off from buying a phase one, due to the large investment in L glass. I can honestly say that I'm really looking forward to the day it arrives :)

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P.S. And eyes I'll get g the 11-24L with it :)

I hope Photoshop and now Lightroom too can handle merging 3,5 or 7 50 megapixel files without bogging down.


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Apr 24, 2015 08:20 |  #1177

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I hope Photoshop and now Lightroom too can handle merging 3,5 or 7 50 megapixel files without bogging down.


I really don't see that being a problem as I have plenty of files, up to and bigger than 2 gigs. However, since this is going to be the norm from the day I get my new camera, I have taken steps to upgrade memory and storage on my Mac Pro. The only issue I see at the moment is what CF cards to get, Cfast or the UDMA 7....any advice anyone?

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Apr 24, 2015 08:46 |  #1178

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true but Canon would never just release a 5d thats 16fps, has same build as a 1d and great ISO, megapixels etc all in one camera.

I didn't say anything about ISO and frame rate. Just the focus system.

In any case, they will, in a few years time. 8k video demands it - 25fps, 32MP and decent high-ISO performance (in order to shoot at 25fps in dim conditions) are all needed to shoot 8k.




  
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Apr 24, 2015 09:18 |  #1179

Shadowblade wrote in post #17530639 (external link)
I didn't say anything about ISO and frame rate. Just the focus system.

In any case, they will, in a few years time. 8k video demands it - 25fps, 32MP and decent high-ISO performance (in order to shoot at 25fps in dim conditions) are all needed to shoot 8k.

4k is not even the norm yet let alone 8k!


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Apr 24, 2015 09:51 as a reply to  @ jonneymendoza's post |  #1180

It looks like the 5DS has significant shutter shock issues.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …the-d600-episode#comments (external link)

"all high resolution offerings from all brands exhibit deleterious interactions between mirror/shutter vibrations and optical stabilization systems (our initial tests of the Canon EOS 5DS show that it is no exception)."

"Because that's what we see with the venerable 70-200 F2.8L II IS on a 5DS at 200mm with IS on shooting through the OVF (at all shutter speeds between 1/125s and 1/2s)."


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Apr 24, 2015 09:53 |  #1181

hoodlum wrote in post #17530726 (external link)
It looks like the 5DS has significant shutter shock issues.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …the-d600-episode#comments (external link)

"all high resolution offerings from all brands exhibit deleterious interactions between mirror/shutter vibrations and optical stabilization systems (our initial tests of the Canon EOS 5DS show that it is no exception)."

"Because that's what we see with the venerable 70-200 F2.8L II IS on a 5DS at 200mm with IS on shooting through the OVF (at all shutter speeds between 1/125s and 1/2s)."

lol o dear


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Apr 24, 2015 10:11 |  #1182

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lol o dear

I love this comment the best from dpreview.

"I'll give you a concrete example- recently I asked a well-known wildlife photographer if he'd encountered this issue. He said 'no', but was kind enough to send me some full-res files. I saw it immediately, but probably only b/c I'd been looking for vertical shake extensively recently from doing all these tests. Yet he'd missed it in thousands of his own shots.

IOW, if you don't know what you're looking for, you'll often see this in the real world as just a shot that requires more sharpening, or slightly misfocused, or slight motion blur, or combination thereof. And remember, it's mostly within that particular shutter speed range, which isn't exactly a range wildlife photogs use."


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Apr 24, 2015 10:24 as a reply to  @ hoodlum's post |  #1183

what is the speed range that it is known to happen


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Apr 24, 2015 10:36 |  #1184

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what is the speed range that it is known to happen

In the range of 1/2s to 1/125s in the case of the 70-200 f2.8. Dpreview is planning a article on this issue in the next couple of weeks so we may get more details.


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Apr 24, 2015 10:51 |  #1185

hoodlum wrote in post #17530756 (external link)
I love this comment the best from dpreview.

"I'll give you a concrete example- recently I asked a well-known wildlife photographer if he'd encountered this issue. He said 'no', but was kind enough to send me some full-res files. I saw it immediately, but probably only b/c I'd been looking for vertical shake extensively recently from doing all these tests. Yet he'd missed it in thousands of his own shots.

IOW, if you don't know what you're looking for, you'll often see this in the real world as just a shot that requires more sharpening, or slightly misfocused, or slight motion blur, or combination thereof. And remember, it's mostly within that particular shutter speed range, which isn't exactly a range wildlife photogs use."

If it isnt seen by the photog or it does not bother the photog then is it really an issue?


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