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Nov 17, 2014 10:11 |  #46

Ray.Petri wrote in post #17276615 (external link)
I agree with you - Bianchi.
You have high-lighted my main gripe. Apart from the dimness and semi-obscurity of the exposure scale I have to roll my eye off of the subject to make adjustments.
I am not a software engineer but surely a firmware upgrade could restore the exposure meter scale to the gap at the bottom of the VF in Manual mode.
It seems a good camera has a design problem for manual users.

It's not a gap if you are using Auto ISO. If you have Auto ISO enabled that scale shows your configured Exposure Compensation, as it does in every other mode on the camera. That part of the display is actually your set exposure compensation, not your current exposure. Since the 7D2 can do exposure compensation with Auto ISO in manual mode Canon has made that lower scale represent your configured Auto ISO EC, and thus unified its purpose across all modes of the camera, while the side scale shows the actual meter. I appreciate your point though and maybe Canon can make a custom function to let it be configurable.


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Nov 17, 2014 13:05 |  #47

Keyan wrote in post #17277122 (external link)
It's not a gap if you are using Auto ISO. If you have Auto ISO enabled that scale shows your configured Exposure Compensation, as it does in every other mode on the camera. That part of the display is actually your set exposure compensation, not your current exposure. Since the 7D2 can do exposure compensation with Auto ISO in manual mode Canon has made that lower scale represent your configured Auto ISO EC, and thus unified its purpose across all modes of the camera, while the side scale shows the actual meter. I appreciate your point though and maybe Canon can make a custom function to let it be configurable.

OK Keyan - Thanks. I will give some consideration to your comments when I get time to get my head around it. But I would still rather see the exposure meter at the bottom of the VF rather than info that I do not need.
I registered a complaint with Canon today and they said they will contact me to let me know if the problem can be resolved in a firmware upgrade or not. I hope it can. I won't risk holding my breath, though.
I suggest to anyone who finds this an issue to make Canon aware of it.


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Nov 17, 2014 13:11 |  #48

How did you go about doing that? I would like to see an option to make the top LCD scale show the exposure for sure, especially considering their own manual suggests putting on the viewfinder blocker doodad when using the camera during long exposures - good luck seeing the scale then! I guess you can use the rear LCD, but since it is fixed position that can be awkward too.


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Nov 17, 2014 15:19 as a reply to  @ Keyan's post |  #49

Keyan asks how did I register complaint with Canon. I rang the Canon UK help line discussed the problem with the help desk person. He seemed to understand the problem and gave me a reference number for our discussion. I do hope it's possible. He did say he would keep me posted.


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Nov 17, 2014 16:08 |  #50

I shoot with my left eye and have no problem seeing the meter on the right-hand side. I also just placed my 7D Mark II up to my right eye and did not have problem there either.

What I did notice though is that the side meter only disappears when you adjust your eye positioning to the point that part of the image frame is no longer visible when looking through the eye-piece. In other words, if you've lost the ability to see the meter on the side, then you've also lost the ability to see the entire image frame...so I'm having a hard time understanding how people are having a problem with the side meter unless they are not looking through the viewfinder properly.

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Nov 17, 2014 17:26 as a reply to  @ bps's post |  #51

I think it's a "getting used to it" thing. I had no problem whatsoever getting used to having it where it is on the 1DX, but as I stated before, it has been there on every high-level Canon camera I've had before. Just not on cameras like the EOS 30 or 40D or similar.


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Nov 17, 2014 17:32 |  #52

bps wrote in post #17277869 (external link)
I shoot with my left eye and have no problem seeing the meter on the right-hand side. I also just placed my 7D Mark II up to my right eye and did not have problem there either.

What I did notice though is that the side meter only disappears when you adjust your eye positioning to the point that part of the image frame is no longer visible when looking through the eye-piece. In other words, if you've lost the ability to see the meter on the side, then you've also lost the ability to see the entire image frame...so I'm having a hard time understanding how people are having a problem with the side meter unless they are not looking through the viewfinder properly.

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Nov 17, 2014 18:03 |  #53

bps wrote in post #17277869 (external link)
I shoot with my left eye and have no problem seeing the meter on the right-hand side. I also just placed my 7D Mark II up to my right eye and did not have problem there either.

What I did notice though is that the side meter only disappears when you adjust your eye positioning to the point that part of the image frame is no longer visible when looking through the eye-piece. In other words, if you've lost the ability to see the meter on the side, then you've also lost the ability to see the entire image frame...so I'm having a hard time understanding how people are having a problem with the side meter unless they are not looking through the viewfinder properly.

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Or wear glasses while shooting (like me); I just adjust my eye position as needed to see the meter even though my glasses keep me from being able to see the whole viewfinder display at one time.


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Nov 17, 2014 18:44 |  #54

Keyan wrote in post #17278021 (external link)
Maybe just my huge nose ;-)a

LOL! :lol: Thanks for making me smile.

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Or wear glasses while shooting (like me); I just adjust my eye position as needed to see the meter even though my glasses keep me from being able to see the whole viewfinder display at one time.

I see, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

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May 02, 2015 15:16 |  #55

Has there been an update to this issue? I just picked up a 7D Mark II and found that I could barely see the meter at the right of the VF when shooting indoors. But when outdoors I could see nothing there and most of my shooting is outdoors. I'm shooting manual but if I switch to auto ISO, as others have indicated, then I can easily see the meter at the bottom of the VF. But that is not really an option when shooting birds or really any active target. I had not discovered this issue before buying the camera even though I had read many posts on several forums about the 7DM2.


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May 05, 2015 15:53 |  #56

Don1 wrote in post #17540803 (external link)
Has there been an update to this issue? I just picked up a 7D Mark II and found that I could barely see the meter at the right of the VF when shooting indoors. But when outdoors I could see nothing there and most of my shooting is outdoors. I'm shooting manual but if I switch to auto ISO, as others have indicated, then I can easily see the meter at the bottom of the VF. But that is not really an option when shooting birds or really any active target. I had not discovered this issue before buying the camera even though I had read many posts on several forums about the 7DM2.

In other threads on this issue it has been claimed that the display is "hard wired" to only show certain info in certain places in the VF. It is not like the rear LCD screen, where you can display anything you want at any point by changing the input signal. I don't know if this is true, but I have owned four other Canon DSLRs, and I have never seen the VF display information changed via firmware upgrades.

I stopped using Magic Lantern when it continually crashed my 7D, so I don't recall whether it affects the area of the VF we are talking about (the green bits around the edge, not info on the image itself). I'm sure someone can tell us.


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May 05, 2015 16:58 |  #57

I like the meter locations where they are. But I would like to see some sort of control over their brightness.

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May 06, 2015 05:54 |  #58

The graphics in the viewfinder is masked. It can turn on or off, but not change shape or color.
Now in this particular case, there are indeed two separate scales, one below and one to the right of the viewfinder. Thus it's possible to move information shown on one of them to the other, since they are similar in appearance, but that's a special case in this camera.

Otherwise it's the same as the top display vs. the rear one. The top display has a set of discrete symbols, which can be on or off, but the rear one has so many tiny symbols (pixels), that they can be combined to virtually any shape.


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May 20, 2015 10:25 |  #59

I instinctively use my left eye and I guess because you naturally look slightly inward to the right with your left eye I have no trouble seeing the vertical meter but agree it is some what faint. If I look through the my right eye, which I always do for BIF shots, then it's much more difficult to see without concentrating.
Fortunately I've gotten used to using auto ISO in Manual setting and get the EC meter at the bottom so at least I can see what EC I've set but haven't worked out a quick way to change the EC on the go without taking camera away from my eye to reset it. Any help please.

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May 20, 2015 10:29 |  #60

I posted earlier that I had no problem seeing this meter, but recent experience has led me to realize that when looking straight ahead, it is difficult to see. However, I am apparently used to moving my eye/head to see whatever part of the VF I need to see, and don't think much about it. I can look around the VF and see what I need to see without much trouble (as in, I wasn't really aware that I was doing it). I can see that if I were dead set on being able to see the entire VF display in one glance, I would not be satisfied.


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