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OFFICIAL : 5DS and 5DS R Announced

 
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May 08, 2015 20:37 |  #1201

Looks like the 1DxII may have a 'extra-high DR' sensor as well, not just the 5D4 and D300 II

http://www.canonrumors​.com …ark-ii-dynamic-range-cr2/ (external link)

This would leave the 5Ds as the last body with an old-style, low-DR sensor (except maybe a budget-minded 6D2), while being the body which needs it most, given its likely applications and the fact that it will be used mostly at low ISO.

If true, I can see it having a very short product cycle before an improved Mk II version is released...




  
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May 09, 2015 11:35 |  #1202

from above article:

It’s also sounding like a new DIGIC 7 processor will make its way into the EOS-1D X Mark II,

guess it's possible that a newer processor is needed to pull off the dual ISO at the frame rates of the 1, and at the hopeful higher resolution of the 5 series. If not a digic 7, maybe a digic 6+


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May 10, 2015 06:49 |  #1203

Shadowblade wrote in post #17549013 (external link)
Looks like the 1DxII may have a 'extra-high DR' sensor as well, not just the 5D4 and D300 II

http://www.canonrumors​.com …ark-ii-dynamic-range-cr2/ (external link)

This would leave the 5Ds as the last body with an old-style, low-DR sensor (except maybe a budget-minded 6D2), while being the body which needs it most, given its likely applications and the fact that it will be used mostly at low ISO.

If true, I can see it having a very short product cycle before an improved Mk II version is released...

It wouldn't surprise me. And, given the way it is mostly a new sensor shoved into the 5D3 body, their development costs must have been lower than for most new cameras, and they're probably prepared for a short run.


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May 10, 2015 09:01 |  #1204

Other than Canon's lowest-end APS-C DSLR line when has Canon ever made a camera with a short product cycle? Where is the historical precedent? We are still waiting for a 5D IV announcement. I recall predictions for a short cycle for the 5D III after the D800 was released. It has already been nearly a year since the D810 was released and still no 5D IV. Canon just doesn't seem to do short product cycles even when seems crazy not to.


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May 10, 2015 09:38 |  #1205

David Arbogast wrote in post #17550504 (external link)
Other than Canon's lowest-end APS-C DSLR line when has Canon ever made a camera with a short product cycle? Where is the historical precedent? We are still waiting for a 5D IV announcement. I recall predictions for a short cycle for the 5D III after the D800 was released. It has already been nearly a year since the D810 was released and still no 5D IV. Canon just doesn't seem to do short product cycles even when seems crazy not to.

I'm not sure about this, but when have they introduced a brand new sensor into an existing body without making any other changes to the camera? Is that without similar precedent? If so, then i can imagine a shortened product cycle, as said, because of clearly very little R&D over the actual sensor itself.

i don't think they are interested in changing long term marketing strategies on a whim, or in this case, due to external changes in the market. So I don't think they were going to speed up a planned 5D replacement product cycle that was probably 12-18 months out when the D810 was introduced. How much time could have been gained?

I do wonder if maybe the 50MP sensor was sped out the door. Its possible that they decided to just stick it in an existing body and forgo the R&D required for a new body, focus system, Dual ISO, etc. Then they give those technologies another 6 months of testing and development before sticking them in a 5D IV. In fact they may have put resources into the 5Ds/r at the expense of the 5DIV in an attempt to keep up with the market and quell the gear head masses.

edit: so if the original plan was to intro the 5D IV and then 6 months later stick a 50MP sensor into it, they may have switched the two knowing that once the sales on the 5D IV slowed a bit they would give a quick update to the 5Ds/r to get it into the new 5D IV body.


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May 12, 2015 09:48 |  #1206

http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/7 (external link)

Crap. vmad

If the 5D4 isn't a major improvement over the 5DS, I'm going to be really upset. In fact, Canon's incredible lens lineup is the only thing that's keeping me from switching to Nikon at this point.


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May 12, 2015 10:27 |  #1207

Crap indeed.

I hope they beef up the DR for 5D4. I still believe they would. Otherwise, more will jump.




  
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May 12, 2015 10:30 |  #1208

mclaren777 wrote in post #17553373 (external link)
http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/7 (external link)

Crap. vmad

If the 5D4 isn't a major improvement over the 5DS, I'm going to be really upset. In fact, Canon's incredible lens lineup is the only thing that's keeping me from switching to Nikon at this point.If you need to make a 5 or 6 stop push, yes it will be crap compared to D750. But, that's a really extreme push.

Unfortunately in this world we live in there exists no perfect solution. Pick your poison. What is your priority? Best glass or best sensor. You don't get to have both.


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May 12, 2015 10:48 |  #1209

Canon could license Sony's ADC tech but still manufacture the sensors in-house, then I could have both. ;)


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May 12, 2015 13:28 |  #1210

mclaren777 wrote in post #17553459 (external link)
Canon could license Sony's ADC tech but still manufacture the sensors in-house, then I could have both. ;)

Not if Sony/Nikon/Pentax don't want them to they won't. Thats even if Canon might want to do it. There are always at least two sides to that sort of licensing deal, and both sides have to want it to happen.

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May 12, 2015 14:39 |  #1211

Sony isn't financially healthy, nor has it been for quite some time.

If Canon waved some money in its figurative face, Sony would surely sign the contract.


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May 12, 2015 15:22 |  #1212

Unless their contract with Nikon says they can't.


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May 12, 2015 15:23 |  #1213

David Arbogast wrote in post #17553438 (external link)
If you need to make a 5 or 6 stop push, yes it will be crap compared to D750. But, that's a really extreme push. Unfortunately in this world we live in there exists no perfect solution. Pick your poison. What is your priority? Best glass or best sensor. You don't get to have both.

Umm u can ahve both aka the sony a7 bodies with canon lenses


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May 12, 2015 15:44 |  #1214

jonneymendoza wrote in post #17553815 (external link)
Umm u can have both aka the sony a7 bodies with canon lenses

But then you get lossy compression RAW files.


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May 12, 2015 16:28 |  #1215

jocau wrote in post #17553840 (external link)
But then you get lossy compression RAW files.

Bingo.

And terrible AF, noisy shutters, embarrassing battery life, etc.

I recently rented an A7ii and I was happy to send it back – it was almost a complete waste of money.


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