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May 12, 2015 22:33 |  #1216

mclaren777 wrote in post #17553881 (external link)
Bingo.

And terrible AF, noisy shutters, embarrassing battery life, etc.

I recently rented an A7ii and I was happy to send it back – it was almost a complete waste of money.

Very few of which actually matter to the architecture and landscape photographers, who are the ones most needing the extra DR in the first place and who, along with studio photographers, would otherwise have been prime candidates for the 5Ds.

Looks like it will be attractive only to studio photograhers with full control over their lighting and to those wildlife photographers who need cropability more than they need frame rate.




  
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May 12, 2015 22:45 |  #1217

mclaren777 wrote in post #17553881 (external link)
Bingo.

And terrible AF, noisy shutters, embarrassing battery life, etc.

I recently rented an A7ii and I was happy to send it back – it was almost a complete waste of money.

+1 I had the same experience.




  
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May 12, 2015 23:01 |  #1218

Aswald wrote in post #17554270 (external link)
+1 I had the same experience.

If you're wanting something to shoot action, you're looking at the wrong camera. The A7 series owes much of its success to Canon non-action shooters needing better image quality but wanting to use certain elements of the Canon lens lineup not duplicated by other manufacturers.

For what it is, it does a great job. Most of the problems arise when you're using it for an unintended purpose (e.g. trying to shoot sports with an adapter and Canon lens). After all, you'd never criticise an IQ180 for having crap high-ISO performance, no AF and minimal frame rate, or a 1Dx for not having 36MP - it's not it's intended purpose.




  
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May 12, 2015 23:28 |  #1219

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If you're wanting something to shoot action, you're looking at the wrong camera. The A7 series owes much of its success to Canon non-action shooters needing better image quality but wanting to use certain elements of the Canon lens lineup not duplicated by other manufacturers.

For what it is, it does a great job. Most of the problems arise when you're using it for an unintended purpose (e.g. trying to shoot sports with an adapter and Canon lens). After all, you'd never criticise an IQ180 for having crap high-ISO performance, no AF and minimal frame rate, or a 1Dx for not having 36MP - it's not it's intended purpose.

You are right. I was considering the Sony to be my 2nd all purpose walkabout camera and I love the picture IQ and the emerging crop of lenses from Carl Zeiss.

I will definitely look at it again when the AF is quick enough for me.

I still get a good laugh when I see max. ISO1600 on a medium format camera. I know it's intended for studio and the pics are just awesome but for the money one pays for it.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:




  
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May 13, 2015 01:59 |  #1220

http://www.dpreview.co​m …TulipSunrise-FullSize.jpg (external link)

I do not care how he processed it, that may well be the shot that stops me buying a 5DsR. Even the top of the shot shows significant noise. Yes with more careful processing it would improve but we are seeing that the limits for shadow pulling is pretty low.


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May 13, 2015 04:33 |  #1221

jocau wrote in post #17553840 (external link)
But then you get lossy compression RAW files.

which means sweet FA for 95% of photographers


mclaren777 wrote in post #17553881 (external link)
Bingo.

And terrible AF, noisy shutters, embarrassing battery life, etc.

I recently rented an A7ii and I was happy to send it back – it was almost a complete waste of money.

The A7S shutter is more silent then any canon eos dslr. What are you smoking :)

AF is brilliant. not as good as a 5d3/1dx but as good as a mid level DSLR


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May 13, 2015 08:48 |  #1222

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which means sweet FA for 95% of photographers

FA?

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The A7S shutter is more silent then any canon eos dslr. What are you smoking :)

AF is brilliant. not as good as a 5d3/1dx but as good as a mid level DSLR

He isn't smoking anything. You should read what he said. He rented an A7II and it doesn't have the silent shutter option.


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May 13, 2015 09:06 |  #1223

I actually think it's more fundamental than that.

The "silent shutter" modes on my 5D3 and 6D were far quieter than the a7II probably because they have more mass and material. The sound doesn't pass through their bodies like it does on the smaller/lighter Sony.

Regardless, I felt terrible every time I fired the shutter during the ceremony. It was far more noticeable than on my Canon cameras.


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May 13, 2015 12:07 |  #1224

Neilyb wrote in post #17554406 (external link)
http://www.dpreview.co​m …TulipSunrise-FullSize.jpg (external link)

I do not care how he processed it, that may well be the shot that stops me buying a 5DsR. Even the top of the shot shows significant noise. Yes with more careful processing it would improve but we are seeing that the limits for shadow pulling is pretty low.

I wasn't expecting awesome DR from Canon (I'm in a "believe it when I see it" frame of mind), but I genuinely hoped for better shadow noise. I will pass as well. Will likely be selling my 5D III and going with all Sony a7 (or rumored a9) cameras going forward.


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May 13, 2015 14:05 |  #1225

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FA?

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May 13, 2015 14:29 as a reply to  @ David Arbogast's post |  #1226

Hoping for an A7r2 announcement, but would like lossless RAW...


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May 13, 2015 18:33 |  #1227

Fine if you can control the lighting (e.g. studio). Pretty bad if you can't (architecture and landscape).

Might be worth getting just for wildlife photography, though - crop-sensor density in a full-frame sensor is a huge thing. And it's not like there's any overlap between wildlife gear (supertele lenses, 200-400) and landscape gear, so it's easy to run one system for wildlife and another (Sony or Nikon) for landscapes.




  
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May 14, 2015 03:49 |  #1228

jocau wrote in post #17554620 (external link)
FA?

He isn't smoking anything. You should read what he said. He rented an A7II and it doesn't have the silent shutter option.

but i mentioned the a7s mate and thats more silent then a dslr


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May 14, 2015 09:02 |  #1229

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but i mentioned the a7s mate and thats more silent then a dslr

Yes, but that doesn't change their experience with an A7 series camera. They rented the A7II, not the A7S. Also, the A7S is currently the only A7 camera which has the silent shutter option. That's one out of 4 models, so it shouldn't be considered as a strong point of the A7 series cameras, but rather as a strong point of the A7S.


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Jun 03, 2015 01:31 |  #1230

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Exactly. I know landscape is very critical about sharpness but like you say, i rather have one image which is not sharp fully over but has something which is unique.

Look at this shot from cyprus lst year. I mean technically it is very bad. I had to shoot f2.8 which is way to low to provide a DOF which covers the whole scene. Then there was a light from the side which i had to copy out and which had rendered a horrible flare across the sky, overall the image doesnt look so sharp, but to me its one of my best pictures because of the subject and the composition

Agree that it's not the best photo but the composition really is amazing


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