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10 stop ND: Lee Big Stopper vs. Singh Ray vs. Breakthrough Photography

 
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May 08, 2015 15:49 |  #31

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I'm guilty of this on several occasions...

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I used to risk it then I saw a few people on here posting photos of their smashed filters so I stopped. I did manage to drop a 3 stop GND into a river one day though as I thought it slotted in correctly but I missed the groove on one side so when I let it go it just fell. Luckily it caught a current and spun around in a circle a few times before coming back towards me. I jumped in up to my shins and grabbed it back.


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May 09, 2015 08:46 |  #32

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Has anyone tried Live View with a 10 stop ND on a 5D3 ??

if it is the middle of the day, yes, sometimes you can see a little in live view, I could see a little bit in live view on the shot of the rundown house I posted in the 9/10 stop thread...but not enough to do anything.

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they fit over that! I have three and used two of them all weekend, one on the TSE and one on the 17-40L.


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May 10, 2015 06:32 as a reply to  @ post 17548364 |  #33

If I'm only moving a short distance I just leave everything in place. I would probably take the Big Stopper out of the filter holder out of paranoia that it might slip out, since glass is not going to handle a fall very well. But also because I would need to remove it to compose from the new position anyway. With any other GNDs they'd stay in the holder until I was done using them. I just throw the tripod, with camera attached, over my shoulder and move to my new location. In fact, unless I'm bushwhacking to get to a waterfall or something I've traveled several hundred yards, often considerably more, carrying my camera in this way and I've never lost or damaged a filter.


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May 16, 2015 04:51 |  #34

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Also Graham,
Do you have a Canadian distributor?
Can I buy them directly from BP? - they appear only on back order at Adorama:-(.

Hey Phil,

You can get our stuff on Amazon.ca, but at the moment we're a few months backordered for X3 ND 10-stops.

Singh-Ray makes some of the most color neutral ND filters out there, and it's what we've used here at Breakthrough Photography for years.

If color neutrality and critical sharpness are important to you I'd recommend getting a Singh-Ray if you can't wait. If color neutrality isn't important to you all NDs are then created equal.

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May 16, 2015 05:05 |  #35

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This is what I carry my kit in, it holds the holder and rings, as well as the 3 square filters and the 3 4x6 grads, in my camera bag it takes up the space that a body takes up. Roughly 3x5x7 inches (14x8x20cm) I have two...one waiting on the Formatt system if it ever shows up! And when I said bulky, its because that case is bigger than the little cases for screw on filters, but its not heavy by any means...the weight those items adds to the bag is negligible.

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The problem I have with screw on filters...even in bright daylight, it can be hard to see through them on Live View, and impossible through the viewfinder, particularly with a 10 stop. So you get your shot all set, focuses perfectly, composed just so...then go to screw on a filter and you move the focus or zoom ring...and you have to start all over...

Couldn't agree with you more on the square filters and how easy they are to attach & remove, especially when confronted with difficult shooting situations or where the light is changing quickly. Sometimes screw-on filters can waste time and in the process lose a shot.

But the downside to the square filters from an image quality perspective is simple: they lack critical sharpness at wide focal lengths on full-frame setups, especially on larger megapixel sensors.

Even though the Lee Big Stopper is incredibly blue, lacks MRC and has no nano coatings, the extreme dropoff in critical sharpness is not due to the glass being poorly made (not sure what glass they use, it's not stated), but rather light being bent at a right angle upon entry into the lens barrel at a fair distance away from the front lens element. Glass thickness, distance from front lens element and it being flat are all factors where smaller numbers equal sharper performance.



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For this reason circular filters resolve much sharper than square ones, even if the glass quality is identical. The above was shot on a Sony A7R, but just imagine what the 5DS R would do under the same circumstances.

We'll likely produce square ND filters with AGC (Japan) and SCHOTT B270 (Germany) variations with MRC8/MRC16 and nano coatings, but despite glass with higher purity and other stuff our critical sharpness on the corners for square will suck just as bad as the other guys when compared to circular NDs.

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May 16, 2015 05:10 |  #36

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Has anyone tried Live View with a 10 stop ND on a 5D3 ??

1. Turn off Exposure Simulation
2. Set Custom ISO functions to 50 - 102,000
3. That's it

Now you can compose even with a 10-stop and Live View is perfectly bright for composition and manually focusing at 100% until sunset or so, then it's just too dark.

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May 19, 2015 07:05 |  #37

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Couldn't agree with you more on the square filters and how easy they are to attach & remove, especially when confronted with difficult shooting situations or where the light is changing quickly. Sometimes screw-on filters can waste time and in the process lose a shot.

But the downside to the square filters from an image quality perspective is simple: they lack critical sharpness at wide focal lengths on full-frame setups, especially on larger megapixel sensors.

Even though the Lee Big Stopper is incredibly blue, lacks MRC and has no nano coatings, the extreme dropoff in critical sharpness is not due to the glass being poorly made (not sure what glass they use, it's not stated), but rather light being bent at a right angle upon entry into the lens barrel at a fair distance away from the front lens element. Glass thickness, distance from front lens element and it being flat are all factors where smaller numbers equal sharper performance.

For this reason circular filters resolve much sharper than square ones, even if the glass quality is identical. The above was shot on a Sony A7R, but just imagine what the 5DS R would do under the same circumstances.

We'll likely produce square ND filters with AGC (Japan) and SCHOTT B270 (Germany) variations with MRC8/MRC16 and nano coatings, but despite glass with higher purity and other stuff our critical sharpness on the corners for square will suck just as bad as the other guys when compared to circular NDs.

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interesting read. I have yet to experience any focus issues or notice anything different from my baseline exposures compared to my LE images, but I am going to pay more attention to it, and specifically make test images to compare next time out.


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May 19, 2015 07:30 as a reply to  @ grahamclarkphoto's post |  #38

ok, because ADD sometimes gets the better of me...I have my NYC trip files on my laptop so I decided to have a look at this focus issue...the three files I am showing are 1: the originals SOOC for the same shot, just a few minutes apart since after baselines I was shooting 4 minute frames, my baseline and then my LE this shows the color shift...then two 100% crops of the exact pixels from both the baseline with no filters and the LE, with the 10 stop AND the 3 stop ND...so not just the 10 stop...2 layers of filter...not just 1. These images have zero editing...and are being shown for comparison...I hate posting SOOC but for the purpose of this important discussion...these are BTW, wide angle images with the 17-40L and FF 5DMKII...


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May 19, 2015 07:32 |  #39

a crop of another detail of the new Freedom Tower, again 100%.


I just dont' see the massive focus shift you showed...sorry. I was expecting to go back to my base files and be shocked...and I just don't see that big shift.


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May 19, 2015 07:34 |  #40

Not something I've ever noticed either using the lee kit


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May 19, 2015 07:35 |  #41

the final result image from that set of captures. I actually used the frame that was shot just before the one that I used as the example...

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May 19, 2015 08:17 |  #42

Heya,

The Lee Big Stopper has a definite color cast, it's blueish. But killing sharpness? No. Not in a meaningful way.

No filter:

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Filter:

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No filter:

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Filter (Big Lee + Two 3 stop ND's, hoya & marumi stacked; for a 16 stop, 3 filter stack.... gave me 8 minutes of exposure):

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.... Some other Big Lee examples. Other than obvious motion blur from wind, the static stuff is sharp.

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Jun 10, 2015 11:10 |  #43

Does anyone have an opinion on whether the Haida 10 Stop (circular) compares favorably to the Lee Big Stopper and/or Breakthrough or do I really need to spend the hundreds of dollars for the Lee Kit or even the Breakthrough X3 if I want to get serious?


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Jun 10, 2015 11:18 |  #44

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Does anyone have an opinion on whether the Haida 10 Stop (circular) compares favorably to the Lee Big Stopper and/or Breakthrough or do I really need to spend the hundreds of dollars for the Lee Kit or even the Breakthrough X3 if I want to get serious?

you should check out the 9 and 10 stop thread:-->https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=17588857 if you have not already, plenty of folks in there using the Haida with good results to compare to.


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Jun 10, 2015 11:41 as a reply to  @ TRhoads's post |  #45

Checking now. Thanks....


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