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May 18, 2015 18:59 as a reply to  @ post 17560967 |  #46

No, you're right, it's not, but looking at a photo on a VERY small screen is also not indicative of what you will get with the final product. While post can't save a bad photo, it can definitely take a photo that was good and make it great.


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May 18, 2015 19:18 |  #47

I can generally tell through the viewfinder if I nailed the shot. The LCD is confirmation that exposure was right, and if I'm working at large apertures on a moving subject, if focus was spot on.

So I believe that one could look at a camera's LCD and have a pretty good idea if the shot would be worthwhile. As said, composition isn't going to change much, if one can't determine if composition is good from a LCD ... Well I don't know what to tell you.


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May 18, 2015 20:39 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #48

I cull the majority of each wedding I shoot in camera. The LCD is plenty good enough to be able to tell if a shot is awful or not.


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May 18, 2015 20:41 as a reply to  @ post 17560967 |  #49

Rookie or no rookie you are spot on.


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May 19, 2015 07:45 |  #50

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17561852 (external link)
I can generally tell through the viewfinder if I nailed the shot. The LCD is confirmation that exposure was right, and if I'm working at large apertures on a moving subject, if focus was spot on.

So I believe that one could look at a camera's LCD and have a pretty good idea if the shot would be worthwhile. As said, composition isn't going to change much, if one can't determine if composition is good from a LCD ... Well I don't know what to tell you.

My thoughts exactly.


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May 19, 2015 08:01 |  #51

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One of the problems with photographers only having portfolios with the hero shots is that those shots are the exception and not the rule. It would be much better if photographers advertised with what they can consistently deliver and not what they may deliver once in a blue moon. My guess would be this photographer falls into the category with the ones who set unrealistic expectations.

Agreed! I always try to under-sell and over-deliver! Under-sell within reason of course :)


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May 19, 2015 08:03 |  #52

memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #17561943 (external link)
I cull the majority of each wedding I shoot in camera. The LCD is plenty good enough to be able to tell if a shot is awful or not.

memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #17561946 (external link)
Rookie or no rookie you are spot on.

Good to know.


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May 19, 2015 08:21 |  #53

Not sure what to think of this thread. I feel like we need to see some images.
It sounds like a client who can't be pleased no matter what. It also sounds like a photographer who did a below average job. I've heard this same story from both sides before.

On one hand, it sounds like the photog left you with unrealistic expectations. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that you can't find photos you like out of the 54 given. 54 sounds like a good number. Also, not EVERY single photo is going to be the breath-taking photo you imagined. I think you would be lucky to get 4-5 AMAZING photos out of that with the rest just being good. You don't think ALL of those AMAZING photos on his site are all from the same session do you? Did you point out the photos from the site that you liked before hand? This would give the photog a good idea of your expectations. At the same time, the photog should have asked if there is anything in particular that you really liked. Ask you what made you choose them. He should have also managed your level of expectation.

I always ask clients why they chose me and what photos they really enjoyed and some of them come right out without me asking and tell me the photos they loved. Then I make sure I do some similar shots for them. And sometimes, I have to lower their expectations. For instance, I had a client who said hired me because he REALLY loved a particular fall photo I did with all of the colors. Well, at the time he said that, there were NO leaves and everything was dead in the middle of winter with no snow. So, I had to manage his expectations in that case. Another client said she really loved my macro, so I made sure we spent extra time on here ring shots.

In any case, I believe it is the photog's responsibility to think ahead and manage clients' expectations. It's the photog's job to make YOU happy, but clients should also be reasonable (not saying you aren't). Hard to tell without seeing any photos.


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May 19, 2015 09:51 |  #54

BlakeC wrote in post #17562560 (external link)
Not sure what to think of this thread. I feel like we need to see some images.
It sounds like a client who can't be pleased no matter what. It also sounds like a photographer who did a below average job. I've heard this same story from both sides before.

On one hand, it sounds like the photog left you with unrealistic expectations. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that you can't find photos you like out of the 54 given. 54 sounds like a good number. Also, not EVERY single photo is going to be the breath-taking photo you imagined. I think you would be lucky to get 4-5 AMAZING photos out of that with the rest just being good. You don't think ALL of those AMAZING photos on his site are all from the same session do you? Did you point out the photos from the site that you liked before hand? This would give the photog a good idea of your expectations. At the same time, the photog should have asked if there is anything in particular that you really liked. Ask you what made you choose them. He should have also managed your level of expectation.

I always ask clients why they chose me and what photos they really enjoyed and some of them come right out without me asking and tell me the photos they loved. Then I make sure I do some similar shots for them. And sometimes, I have to lower their expectations. For instance, I had a client who said hired me because he REALLY loved a particular fall photo I did with all of the colors. Well, at the time he said that, there were NO leaves and everything was dead in the middle of winter with no snow. So, I had to manage his expectations in that case. Another client said she really loved my macro, so I made sure we spent extra time on here ring shots.

In any case, I believe it is the photog's responsibility to think ahead and manage clients' expectations. It's the photog's job to make YOU happy, but clients should also be reasonable (not saying you aren't). Hard to tell without seeing any photos.

Very good post!

I would highlight this:

- "...not EVERY single photo is going to be the breath-taking..." - This is so important (even for us shooting) to have in mind; we're not going to make the best image in our careers with every capture taken.

- "...always ask clients why they chose me and what photos they really enjoyed ... Then I make sure I do some similar shots for them..." - So true, they hire the photographer for a reason.

This is the kind of information which made me chose this forum...


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May 19, 2015 12:37 |  #55

BlakeC wrote in post #17562560 (external link)
In any case, I believe it is the photog's responsibility to think ahead and manage clients' expectations. It's the photog's job to make YOU happy, but clients should also be reasonable (not saying you aren't).

Nailed it on the head Blake.

The photographer's failure to understand and manage expectations, coupled with the fact that most clients typically don't set expectations on the front end, is the crux of most issues. As the professional, the onus is on the photographer to do their best to understand the expectations of their client on the front-end.

On the flip-side, it can be frustrating when you make an earnest attempt to get your client to set their expectations up front, only to miss something that your client was expecting, but did not communicate.


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May 19, 2015 15:52 |  #56

In all reality you are better of paying for just one picture, and treasuring it.




  
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May 19, 2015 19:30 |  #57

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Agreed! I always try to under-sell and over-deliver! Under-sell within reason of course :)

Nope. I'm not saying under-sell at all. I'm saying accurately sell. Show what you can consistently deliver.


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May 19, 2015 20:58 |  #58

jebrady03, I want to apologize in that I might have been a bit harsh in some of my statements. You are the only one here that knows your situation, your personality, your family, and your desires. Do whatever leaves you with no regrets and what you feel right for your family. For me personally, you are talking about a good bit of money invested in photos, more than I would feel comfortable spending on controversial images...especially since I call myself somewhat of a photographer. That is probably what caused/causes my resistance to the idea of you purchasing possibly questionable photos....your financial situation may be much better than mine. If it is, I'm happy for you. I truly hope that the final images that you receive bring a big smile to your face when you first see them and that they will be great images to look back on in years to come.

You own a camera. Now take some of your money...buy an electronic flash...maybe a 5-in-1 reflector...study up on bouncing the flash...study up on off-camera flash....study up on portrait lighting...visit The Strobist (external link) website...maybe even pick up an 85mm or 135mm lens...and start making some great images of your kid!!!! You can get better images than that professional....you can do it!!! And then...you can make all of us go "ooooh" and "aahhhhh!!!!" when you post them. ;)

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May 19, 2015 21:38 |  #59

memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #17563405 (external link)
Nope. I'm not saying under-sell at all. I'm saying accurately sell. Show what you can consistently deliver.

Yes, show what you can consistently deliver before hand. Then aim to over deliver! :-)


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May 19, 2015 22:40 as a reply to  @ BlakeC's post |  #60

Nope. Set proper expectations and deliver to those expectations. If someone is consistently "over delivering" they are setting the original expectations too low IMO.


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