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May 27, 2015 17:10 |  #16

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Ive shot dancers on the pole for a club. To be honest its a challenge. Unless you can get some distance away and use a long lens its nearly impossible to avoid the ceiling or floor.

I will try to miss the ceiling or floor, but I'm hoping that if the background can be lightened, darkened or modified some in PP, maybe I can clone it out into the rest of the frame.


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May 27, 2015 17:12 |  #17

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In general, I have found that the people who what photographs to post on social media are far less critical than the photographers themselves. You are doing the right thing by using this as practice for yourself. I suspect that if you are happy with the technical aspect - eg lighting, composition etc, then they will be as well. As long as you get the poses that they want. To that end, my recommendation is to try out different things. If time allows, move the lights around for different effects. You are obviously going to try different camera angles - maybe have a step-stool.
You don't say if you are getting paid to take the photos. If not, I think the mood is going to be a lot more relaxed with less pressure on you to get the "ultimate" photo.

No pay.

just an experimental practice session.

We hope to get some good photos though


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May 27, 2015 17:41 |  #18

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Am I the only one who came here hoping to see photos? :)

We've got to start with a wooden pole first then ...



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May 27, 2015 18:09 as a reply to  @ mdvaden's post |  #19

not state the obvious, but have you googled "pole dancing images" for inspiration regarding poses? Some shots will be posed, I assume, even if the pose is only held for 1/200th of a second. You might try to set your camera on as many frames per second as it can shoot, with ai servo focus and see what happens. I don't know why I'm so intrigued by this, I guess it's because it's nothing I ever thought of photographing, but I can see where it could be interesting to try and capture the movement etc. s.


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May 27, 2015 18:18 |  #20

OK on a more on topic note for the original question, I used to shoot a lot of dance. Not specifically always pole dancing, but dance in most forms is a lot of movement by definition, and often fast and unpredictable.

In my case I did never had the option of posing, or second tries. But just like with wildlife or sports, one learns to anticipate, predict and time shots with the beat, or pause. Without exception, from modern, Ballet whatever, I never saw a dance that did not involve the "moment" where the dancer completes a move and holds it for the audience. typically these "moments" are also the most photogenic. A split second during an energetic move could result in a terrible unflattering "muscle builder" facial expression, but the "moments' are always sublime and the chance the dancer has to make it look to everyone watching like it is "effortless"

with Pole dancing, these moments will be even more obvious, as for the pole dancing audience the performer is working to illicit feedback, and will in fact invite it with a pause and look.

Catch those moments.


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May 27, 2015 18:41 |  #21

Even when they pause and look there is more muscle tension in the face than you might think. What seems like a come hither look in a club, can be interpreted diffeently when frozen and captured much closer than the seats in a club.




  
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May 27, 2015 20:33 |  #22

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17573772 (external link)
with Pole dancing, these moments will be even more obvious, as for the pole dancing audience the performer is working to illicit feedback, and will in fact invite it with a pause and look.

I hope you mean "elicit" :).


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May 28, 2015 09:02 |  #23

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17573772 (external link)
In my case I did never had the option of posing, or second tries. But just like with wildlife or sports, one learns to anticipate, predict and time shots with the beat, or pause. Without exception, from modern, Ballet whatever, I never saw a dance that did not involve the "moment" where the dancer completes a move and holds it for the audience. typically these "moments" are also the most photogenic. A split second during an energetic move could result in a terrible unflattering "muscle builder" facial expression, but the "moments' are always sublime and the chance the dancer has to make it look to everyone watching like it is "effortless"

This is great advice. The skill of anticipating and predicting comes with experience, just like most other facets of the craft.

This session will be a good time to practice - after you've got your posed shots in the can, have one of the dancers run through a full routine, and see if you can anticipate and time your shots to get something good.


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Even when they pause and look there is more muscle tension in the face than you might think. What seems like a come hither look in a club, can be interpreted diffeently when frozen and captured much closer than the seats in a club.

True, often. Not every one is going to be a keeper, even if you nail the timing perfectly for the body, there might be a funny or unflattering face going on. This varies really, really widely by performer - some will have a perfect face no matter where they are in the routine, and some will look gorgeous on stage but just silly and goofy in every still frame.

So, you shoot a lot, and throw out the ones that are unflattering to the performer.

Generally speaking: The better, more skilled, more experienced performers will be able to control their face as well as their body. But there are plenty of exceptions to this.

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I hope you mean "elicit" :).

I... I think maybe both forms work in this thread? ;)


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May 28, 2015 17:37 |  #24

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I hope you mean "elicit" :).

Jake's typing skills are (in)famous. If you read one of his posts without at least one apparent spelling error, his daughter typed it! :{)#


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May 28, 2015 21:33 |  #25

Appreciate the feedback so far. Reading every reply.

Also been googling similar images, and asked the "models" to search online too to get an idea of the variety.

I'm driving out tonight, but have at least a couple days until we try this. So any extra ideas will be read as I tap into WiFi sometime tomorrow.

Someone's wife up in Portland inquired about this type of shoot too, like later this year, so I will follow this thread as long as the discusssion continues.

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May 28, 2015 22:23 |  #26

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Jake's typing skills are (in)famous. ....:{)#

So are my Pole dancing skills.

just saying...


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Jun 02, 2015 02:32 |  #27

This ended up being a fun shoot ... but it was even more difficult than expected. For me, and for the dancers. The space was slightly smaller than anticipated and slowing down motion and poses was a substantial workout. The dancers traded-off every few minutes.


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Jun 02, 2015 04:50 |  #28

Front to back, an 85mm was too long, so I went with a 24-70mm


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Jun 05, 2015 03:25 |  #30

gonzogolf wrote in post #17573795 (external link)
Even when they pause and look there is more muscle tension in the face than you might think. What seems like a come hither look in a club, can be interpreted diffeently when frozen and captured much closer than the seats in a club.

While the dancing I've shot is different (although one show had a brief pole scene), the facial expressions can certainly turn out strange. I've taken shots before that I thought were going to turn out great with perfect timing on the "pose" that ended up unused just because of wacky looks


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