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Jun 03, 2015 20:38 |  #31

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If you do then that Elephant is just TOO CLOSE:twisted:


Been there, taken with the 17-40mm;

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Pesky elephants were always blocking my view of the Zebras ! :)

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Jun 04, 2015 17:25 |  #32

That looks close enough to me! Were they on full frame?


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Jun 04, 2015 17:42 |  #33

1.3X
The 5D3 had not been invented yet :)


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Jun 04, 2015 17:52 |  #34

When I was in school (quite a while ago!) most of my friends were from Uganda, they had left for health reasons back in the 70's. A couple of their parents had interesting/worrying pictures of their cars after the Heffelumps had shown an interest. Apparently none were aggressive - just interested! Pity they (both Elephants and people) have suffered so badly in Uganda.
Hence my comment about the 17-40.


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Jun 04, 2015 17:54 |  #35

Wow. I was only there for a few weeks, but that big Male in the 4th and 5th photo took a serious disliking of us and literally chased us off. On that day i was driving, so I had to back up, stop and take a photo, panic, back up faster, stop and take a photo, etc..

the elephant in the first images was a totally different encounter, and he/she (sorry, I don't know ) was just going about her business of eating leaves! :)

The scene in the last image was actually pretty scary,. though we were out of harms way. we were to all be back in camp for nightfall, but this very angry group of elephants was blocking the road and making a huge rucus, kicking up dust etc. Some vehicles were literally stuck in their midst,. we could watch from afar.


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Jun 05, 2015 02:57 |  #36

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I will echo what others have said, that 200-400mm is without question the best and most flexible big safari lens in existence.

Due be aware of the weight, size and impact it has on the shooter, and in close quarters the people around you.

When i went to Namibia and Botswana I brought along my 500mm f/4l IS, which is about the same weight and size. I was glad to have, it helped me get photos that no one else in our group could have gotten, but I am very accustomed to hauling around a big lens. Some fo those I was with simply could not believe I was lugging it around in the heat etc. I also had the old version 1 100-400mm, and it was without question the trip favorite lens. With todays high ISO bodies (at the time I went the best body for noise was the 1D3, and that's what I was shooting, today things are much better) the f/5.6 of the new 100-400mm Version 2 is hardly a problem.

If you have no experience with a super-telephoto, I would strongly suggest that you rent the 200-400mm BEFORE you leave and reserve it for your trip, and then see if it's right for you.

My second suggestion would be the new 100-400mmL IS version II

Next question, how many camera bodies do you have?
If "one" than get a 2nd one and put a shorter zoom on it :)

What are your thoughts on using a mono pod with 200-400 in safari vehicles?
Is that "allowed", feasible, desirable or just a pain for other people?


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Jun 05, 2015 03:26 |  #37

IMO that would depend greatly on the type of safari vehicle your in and the type of safari your doing.

In a open vehicle with other photographers, its not likely an issue. If your packed in 3 to a row then your likely going to be taking up more than your fair share which could cause issues.


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Jun 05, 2015 03:31 as a reply to  @ AceCo55's post |  #38

I used a monopod with my 200 - 400 it was sort of ok. But I also used 2 manfrotto super clamps. They the bomb! 1 clamp around the hand rail of the safari car, the other at 90* to the first around the monopod. Set in stone! the only issue is when someone in the car moves, the lens moves with them.

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1/10th sec at 258mm please, no one move!?!

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Jun 05, 2015 12:03 |  #39

Gbgb wrote in post #17584893 (external link)
I used a monopod with my 200 - 400 it was sort of ok. But I also used 2 manfrotto super clamps. They the bomb! 1 clamp around the hand rail of the safari car, the other at 90* to the first around the monopod. Set in stone! the only issue is when someone in the car moves, the lens moves with them.

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1/10th sec at 258mm please, no one move!?!

this is the hardest thing about using the safari car to brace your camera. We always had from 6 to 9 people in the car, and it seems like someone is always moving. It doesn't take much more than just a slight shift in position to get the shake. I found that free handing with IS gave me the best shots with my 70-200 f4 and 1.4 tc II. Might be more of a factor with a 400mm, although most daytime shots it was easy to get 1/1000 sec and higher shutter speeds.


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Jun 05, 2015 14:24 |  #40

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What are your thoughts on using a mono pod with 200-400 in safari vehicles?
Is that "allowed", feasible, desirable or just a pain for other people?

No I can't imagine a monopod in the vehicle. Too unwieldy. Do you know what the vehicle you will be in is? Maybe I'm wrong, I was in a normal sized backy or 4x4. There are of course those land yachts that the safaris use with 8 to 12 people in them. they might be able to accommodate, but you'd have to ask them.


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Jun 05, 2015 14:26 |  #41

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this is the hardest thing about using the safari car to brace your camera. We always had from 6 to 9 people in the car, and it seems like someone is always moving. It doesn't take much more than just a slight shift in position to get the shake. I found that free handing with IS gave me the best shots with my 70-200 f4 and 1.4 tc II. Might be more of a factor with a 400mm, although most daytime shots it was easy to get 1/1000 sec and higher shutter speeds.

Yeah, I'd be more willing to use myself as a "human gimble" along with the lens IS.


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Jun 07, 2015 06:37 |  #42

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17585524 (external link)
No I can't imagine a monopod in the vehicle. Too unwieldy. Do you know what the vehicle you will be in is? Maybe I'm wrong, I was in a normal sized backy or 4x4. There are of course those land yachts that the safaris use with 8 to 12 people in them. they might be able to accommodate, but you'd have to ask them.

Thanks for you thoughts - not sure about the vehicle yet.
Looks like it would be worth practicing hand held in a variety of situations.
Once again, thanks for sharing your experience


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Thanks for you thoughts - not sure about the vehicle yet.
Looks like it would be worth practicing hand held in a variety of situations.
Once again, thanks for sharing your experience


One of the solutions that is often recommended, but again depends on your specific situation, is a bean bag. If your shooting out a window, use the bean bag on the door sill.
Pack it empty, and buy the beans when you get there to save weight. You can even adjust height by simply rolling window up or down a bit.

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Jun 09, 2015 09:23 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #44

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It is padding for your lens & is light to pack, impossible to break.


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Jun 09, 2015 23:55 |  #45

i am finishing up my yellowstone trip, have been running three bodies. has been a huge time saver.


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