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Jun 25, 2015 02:16 |  #1

I have a Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM Lens and I would like to a bit more reach.

I am torn between

Sigma 150-600 C

Tamron 150-6000

or may be a second hand Canon 100-400 like this as some reviews imply that this could be almost as good

EXCELLENT Canon 100-400mm USM Telephoto Lens eBay

or maybe my existing lens with a teleconverter
This will be used mainly with a Canon 350 D or Canon 550D for birds/mammals any ideas?

The more I read the more confused I get




  
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Jun 25, 2015 02:24 |  #2

Why not get a canon 400 5.6 ? It hasn't got IS , but at shutter speeds of 1600-2000+, not necessary.

I have the canon 28-300 and the prime matches brilliantly.

Be very careful when getting a used 100-400, (I assume the ebay one is the old version- they seem to range from excellent to awful.) The new one has great reviews.

If you are keeping the 70-300, you have a tremendous amount of overlap - I had the 100-400, and hardly ever used the 28-300.

Never regretted selling it & getting the 400.

I have the 7d2 and 5D3 and often carry the 28-300 on the 5d2 and the 400 on the 7D2, so quite a lot of range covered.

Also, make sure that your camera can AF with a teleconverter - I found my 100-400 would not AF on a 7D , as the minimum aperture was then f8.


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Jun 25, 2015 06:20 as a reply to  @ hania's post |  #3

The canon 400 5.6 is a more expensive option from http://www.valuebasket​.com/ (external link) the Sigma is £ 624.99 the cheapest fro the canon 400 5.6 £ 859.00. Also it was the worst performer when Tony Northrup tested them.
When/if I decide what to do then I will decide what to do with my other lens.




  
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Jun 25, 2015 17:52 |  #4

davholla2 wrote in post #17609991 (external link)
The canon 400 5.6 is a more expensive option from http://www.valuebasket​.com/ (external link) the Sigma is £ 624.99 the cheapest fro the canon 400 5.6 £ 859.00. Also it was the worst performer when Tony Northrup tested them.
When/if I decide what to do then I will decide what to do with my other lens.

That will teach you not to read too much on the web!
Much of what Tony says makes sense but, I am afraid, much of it does not!
I have not, personally, tried the Sigma 150-600 C version but I have tried the other two and would take the Canon 400 F5.6 L in a heartbeat! From my experience it is simply a better lens, quicker (much) AF and better IQ as well as being lighter and having a larger aperture. The larger aperture is important as the Canon 400 F5.6 produces great results wide open, the Tamron needs to be stopped down a bit to get the best from it - I believe it is the same with the Sigma.
You do loose out on the zoom function and the compromises that that brings, but you do have a small, light, slim lens that is one of the best going for the price.
Just my 2p!


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Jun 25, 2015 20:23 |  #5

https://m.flickr.com …randsheasdad/18​069300993/ (external link)

Love my 400 F 5.6!


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Jun 25, 2015 20:26 |  #6

No teleconverters, the math is the only part thst works, otherwise its not satisfying. You would lose autofocus and youf quality would suffer.




  
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Jun 26, 2015 05:43 |  #7

Agreed!


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Jun 26, 2015 14:19 |  #8

I have owned the Tammy 150-600, the Sigma C 150-600 as well as the Canon 400/5.6 (must have taken 100k of shots with the Canon over more than 8 years).
The Sigma C is better than the Tamron IMO - I sold the Tammy and later bought a Sigma C which I still have.
Until recently I had both the Sigma C and Canon 400/5.6 and tested both combos extensively. At 400mm the Canon 400/5.6 is a little better than the Sigma but not by much. The Sigma at 600mm is certainly better than the 400/5.6 + 1.4x tc (I tested on both the 5D3 and 7D2). I also tested the two many times by cropping 400/5.6 images to the same FOV as the Sigma at 600mm and the Sigma yields better detail for sure.
Both have their pros and cons:-
For the 400/5.6 is AF speed, lighter weight, slightly better IQ at 400mm and pin sharp wide open.
For the Sigma is 600mm focal length, zoom range, better MFD, a good OS system and some very useful customizations via the option USB dock. Also the Sigma takes a 1.4x tc remarkable well giving 840mm when you are range limited - although the sigma is at f9 with a 1.4x tc it still AF's OK on both my 5D3 and 7D2, AF speed with the Sigma at 840mm is similar to the 400/5.6 at 560mm.

If your main interest is BIF then the Canon is still a very good buy but if you are often finding yourself range limited then the Sigma is great value for money and the better lens IMO. I have since sold my much loved 400/5.6.
A few years ago I tried a Sigma 150-500 and was very disappointing to say the least - this new generation of 150-600 lenses are in a different league to those older lenses from the likes of Sigma and Tamron.


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Jun 26, 2015 15:16 |  #9

Canon 400 5.6 all day long....fast AF and excellent IQ. I use a 1.4x converter on mine and get very good results...manual focus is the only downside..but then everything was manual focus before we had AF...ߘ


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Jun 26, 2015 16:10 |  #10

Roy C wrote in post #17611553 (external link)
If your main interest is BIF then the Canon is still a very good buy but if you are often finding yourself range limited then the Sigma is great value for money and the better lens IMO. I have since sold my much loved 400/5.6.
A few years ago I tried a Sigma 150-500 and was very disappointing to say the least - this new generation of 150-600 lenses are in a different league to those older lenses from the likes of Sigma and Tamron.

Interested in your observations on the Sigma Roy.
I have tried a few Sigma long zooms and been disappointed, but (as per my post) I haven't tried the 150-600 C. Sounds like it is a pretty good lens in your experience. Probably well worth the OP considering one.


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Jun 26, 2015 18:43 |  #11

Havent owned the Sigma or Tamron but I had the 400 5.6 for awhile. Fast AF, very sharp, light weight and relatively small size. Works great with a 1.4 tc as well. I would be looking at getting one of those over the zoom lenses.


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Jun 27, 2015 02:50 |  #12

Here is a sample of the Sigma 150-600 C for BIF taken at the full 600mm, I would not have gotten this shot with a 1.4x tc on my 400/5.6 that's for sure.

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Jun 27, 2015 03:02 |  #13

Here are just a few typical samples from the 150-600 C all taken at the full 600mm. Not up to the big white primes but not bad for the money. AF is a lot quicker than the 400/5.6 + 1.4x tc (and I am the biggest fan of the 400/5.6).

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Jun 27, 2015 03:17 |  #14

Just to finish off here for anyone that is interested here is a sample of the Sigma 150-600 C taken with a 1.4x tc at the full 840mm (AF on both my 7D2 and 5D3 is just as quick as the 400/5.6 + 1.4x tc). For those that want more reach and do not want the weight or expenditure of big white primes this little lens is excellent value for money IMHO.

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Jun 27, 2015 17:47 |  #15

Nice shots Roy!


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