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Jul 09, 2015 20:51 |  #1

I've done a few gigs as a second shooter and have been proposed widely varying terms. I've had one photographer tell me I could do what I want with my shots other than selling them, and I've had another tell me that they want the card directly from my camera at the end of the event. How are people handling the relationship between a lead photographer and a second shooter in terms of image rights and/or portfolio use?



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Jul 09, 2015 23:53 |  #2

If you will not allow me to use photos for my portfolio, then I will ask for more money per gig. If I can use my photos for my portfolio, then I will work for a little less money. Find the middle ground for yourself that you can be happy with.




  
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Jul 10, 2015 00:01 |  #3

I would expect that your contract would have clauses to transfer copyright on your shots to the primary (or at least grant them full and exclusive rights to use/sublicense etc in perpetuity) .... but that you get a license to use the images in your portfolio. I believe that would be a fair contract for both parties but people aren't always fair. If I was a primary I might insist that when displaying the images from one of my weddings you list the wedding as such (IE there is no misrepresentation by omission that would imply it was a wedding you arranged or were primary on.... that's just me (but I'm not a wedding tog so so cares).


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Jul 11, 2015 22:10 |  #4

My terms for my seconds are what I have experienced myself and was willing to do. Basic terms are xxx pay, I supply the cards and require they be turned into me at the end of the day. Payment is made at that point. Once I download the images, to which I purchased full rights too, I send them a disk with their images back (90 days after the shoot). Rights are still mine, but they may use them for their portfolio and/or representation of their business to their perspective clients. They are not allowed to sell or use them in open advertisement other than private consolations with their perspective client.


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Jul 11, 2015 22:23 as a reply to  @ Roamingbull's post |  #5

Seems fair to both parties. The 90 day delay seems like a good idea. Makes sure that the images wont be used before you have time to get finished images to the B&G and use some yourself on social media.


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Jul 11, 2015 22:32 |  #6

Roamingbull wrote in post #17628461 (external link)
My terms for my seconds are what I have experienced myself and was willing to do. Basic terms are xxx pay, I supply the cards and require they be turned into me at the end of the day. Payment is made at that point. Once I download the images, to which I purchased full rights too, I send them a disk with their images back (90 days after the shoot). Rights are still mine, but they may use them for their portfolio and/or representation of their business to their perspective clients. They are not allowed to sell or use them in open advertisement other than private consolations with their perspective client.

That's exactly what I agreed on with my second shooter on for my first upcoming wedding as a primary. In the past when I shot as a second shooter, I had to return both or whatever number of memory cards to the primary and wasn't even given the right to use the shots at all.


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Jul 11, 2015 23:01 as a reply to  @ Dan Marchant's post |  #7

Yes exactly. The 90 day idea was not mine, I came across it in a second shooter template contract somewhere. Seemed like a good idea, and once I started to use it, realized how much so. It gives me the time to publish my work first, then allows the second to be able to benefit from their hard work also, but not at a potential conflict with my clients.


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