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Jun 23, 2015 16:47 |  #1

I'm interested in getting started in composites. I see many different software options from Photoshop plugins to standalone green screen software. Can anyone recommend the best way to go?

Please feel free to share any other resources, too!


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Jun 23, 2015 17:23 |  #2

Can you give us links to images you admire? The ones you'd like to mimic? That will help us give you more specific advice.


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Jun 23, 2015 17:39 |  #3

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Can you give us links to images you admire? The ones you'd like to mimic? That will help us give you more specific advice.

I guess I'm just looking for general tools, not really specific to any style.

But okay, I'll say Joel Grimes does awesome work: http://joelgrimes.com …eryID=25273&AKe​y=P7FJP8B4 (external link)


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Jun 23, 2015 23:07 |  #4

I wouldn't recommend green screens.
The color bleeds.
Off white or gray backgrounds are easier if you use a studio.
Otherwise, good Photoshop masking skills are a must.
He does have tutorials of his specific techniques online.




  
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Jun 24, 2015 07:03 as a reply to  @ Merlin_AZ's post |  #5

Agreed, avoid green screen. Ask me how I know. :rolleyes:


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Jun 24, 2015 07:07 |  #6

Joel grimes has several videos that might help. Search his name on youtube.




  
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Jun 24, 2015 07:36 |  #7

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Agreed, avoid green screen. Ask me how I know. :rolleyes:

Okay, I'll bite. :)


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Jul 14, 2015 00:01 |  #8

Tons of YouTube videos on compositing and blending, start there. Some will recommend certain software as well. I like Remask by Topaz, I get good results using it for extracting my subjects.


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Jul 16, 2015 22:42 as a reply to  @ DagoImaging's post |  #9

Plugins may help you with masking or even doing various treatments on individual components but they won't put it all together for you.

I suggest:

- You start learning about lighting.. hard, soft, diffuse (Bad composites will have hard light on one composite, and soft light on another. Lighting should be consistent.
- Light and shadows (Where is the light source? Where will the shadow fall? What kind of shadow, hard? diffuse? Bad composites will have 3 components with an obvious shadow, and one component in the same light, without a shadow.
- Perspective (Even in a surreal image, do the components look like they go together. Is this person waaay to big for this "car"? Ok the person and the car match in relative size to each other, but according to the brick wall behind them, the person should 20 feet tall)
- The many methods for D&B
- Color Grading & Gradient Maps (They help many times bring everything together.




  
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Jul 17, 2015 00:11 |  #10

kjonnnn wrote in post #17634142 (external link)
Plugins may help you with masking or evening doing various treatments on individual components but they won't put it all together for you.

I suggest:

- You start learning about lighting.. hard, soft, diffuse (Bad composites will have hard light on one composite, and soft light on another. Lighting should be consistent.
- Light and shadows (Where is the light source? Where will the shadow fall? What kind of shadow, hard? diffuse? Bad composites will have 3 components with an obvious shadow, and one component in the same light, without a shadow.
- Perspective (Even in a surreal image, do the components look like they go together. Is this person waaay to big for this "car"? Ok the person and the car match in relative size to each other, but according to the brick wall behind them, the person should 20 feet tall)
- The many methods for D&B
- Color Grading & Gradient Maps (They help many times bring everything together.

Okay, now what?


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Jul 17, 2015 00:47 |  #11

Do you have Photoshop (or other software that enables composites)? If so, have you taken tutorials or read books that cover making composites?

If not, that's where you should get started!


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Jul 17, 2015 01:36 |  #12

I have this book: http://kelbyone.com …tplace/books/co​mpositing/ (external link) and think it's a good tool to learn. I also like the tutorials from Mark Johnson and his photoshop workbench.


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Jul 17, 2015 11:08 |  #13

kjonnnn wrote in post #17634142 (external link)
Plugins may help you with masking or evening doing various treatments on individual components but they won't put it all together for you.

I suggest:

- You start learning about lighting.. hard, soft, diffuse (Bad composites will have hard light on one composite, and soft light on another. Lighting should be consistent.
- Light and shadows (Where is the light source? Where will the shadow fall? What kind of shadow, hard? diffuse? Bad composites will have 3 components with an obvious shadow, and one component in the same light, without a shadow.
- Perspective (Even in a surreal image, do the components look like they go together. Is this person waaay to big for this "car"? Ok the person and the car match in relative size to each other, but according to the brick wall behind them, the person should 20 feet tall)
- The many methods for D&B
- Color Grading & Gradient Maps (They help many times bring everything together.


This is a good post.

Before even picking up the camera, you should have some idea of what you want your final piece to look like.

One of the keys to a believable composite is making sure the lighting on the subject plays nicely with the lighting in the background image. With that in mind, one of your first steps would be to select your background image and really study it. Analyze the direction, hardness, and color of the lighting in the background image.

Then set up your lights (or find ambient) so that your subject is illuminated in a way that will look "right" when dropped into the background.


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Jul 17, 2015 12:42 as a reply to  @ nathancarter's post |  #14

Good advice also. Many times people have successfully masked and extracted various components, and then put them all together in one image, but it just looks like clip art thrown together without any cohesiveness. You can do composites without any plugins actually.




  
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