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Jul 24, 2015 22:57 |  #16

I would suggest you stay with your initial thought of the 5DIII being your dream camera. The extra you will pay for the 5D over the 6D will seem small a few years down the road. The 6D is a very capable camera for doing most things but I think you would be always wishing you had went ahead with the 5 if that is what you are really wanting. That is what I did myself. I picked up the 6D and took some pictures with it at a dress rehearsal for a high school play. I already had a 7D and was used to the controls and size of it. Not that there was anything wrong with the 6 but I knew after shooting with it that night that I would always regret not spending the extra and really getting what I wanted. So I returned it the next day and got the 5. I love my 5DIII. There are people who love their 6D and rightfully so but if you are really thinking the 5 is your dream camera I think you might be disappointed if you don't go ahead with it. They are coming down in price as at some point the mark IV will eventually be out.
As far as the 24x70II. I really can't imagine that you wouldn't be 100% satisfied with the sharpness of it. Mine is sharp as a tack. You might want to think about a 70-200II. Really useful lens and is also very prized for portraits. It is by far my most used lens but I take a lot of sports pictures.
Not knocking any of the suggestions from the other members or trying to talk you into spending more than you need to. I just feel that in the long run it is cheaper to buy what you want rather than trying to settle for less than you really want. I am a believer in saving up until you can afford to buy what you want. The dreaming and waiting is part of the fun.




  
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Jul 24, 2015 23:41 |  #17

Thanks for all the solid advice everyone. Everyone has some very valid points and it's continually coming down to personal preference again (which is frustrating because I don't know what I'll want once I have it in my hands in a busy foreign place that I won't be returning to!) ... Ahh, why can't life be as simple as mathematics and know if everything is right or wrong lol.

I really liked the point about the 6D and was really considering it, but as Shorthairs said, I will always feel like I should have spent that little bit more to get the one I've had my mind set on for the past 4 years.
The AF system on it will be used for sure. The WiFi feature of the 6D was appealing but seemed a bit more of a fad that wouldn't get used much by me. If I need to see the image on a larger screen I'd probably bring my laptop and control the 5D from there (Correct me if I can't) as those cases I'm normally setup at a campsite for the night alongside my telescope and some beer.

I get all the points about the price of the 24-70 II compared to multiple primes and definitely agree, but then I'm thinking about times when on a tour overseas or an event that won't stick around and trying to change lenses to the focal length I want would get annoying, let alone wanting to change lenses if it's a dusty/windy environment (My wife and I normally like to travel off the beaten track more than tours).

I might hold off on the 16-35mm 2.8 II for now and see how I go with the 24-70 regarding milky way and star trail photos, and if I want something wider maybe a Rokinon 14mm 2.8 (Because of minimal chromatic aberration)?


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Jul 25, 2015 07:15 |  #18

I have had all of the zooms and all of the Primes.

Sold them all. Bought them all again. I am a lunatic.

I have the two zooms.

One for real estate. The other for when I can only bring one zoom for basic stuff.

But lately, when I only can bring one lens that is the 35 art.

Really considering everything again. 2.8 is just not fun for me.

But man that is a great zoom. Very sharp. 24-70ii.


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Jul 25, 2015 07:45 |  #19

Blake.Ross wrote in post #17643513 (external link)
he WiFi feature of the 6D was appealing but seemed a bit more of a fad that wouldn't get used much by me. If I need to see the image on a larger screen I'd probably bring my laptop and control the 5D from there (Correct me if I can't) as those cases I'm normally setup at a campsite for the night alongside my telescope and some beer.

If you just want a larger monitor, you can plug any HDMI screen in the 5D3. But the 5D3 doesn't have WiFi internally because it has a magnesium alloy body (whereas the 6D has a plastic body that allows wifi signals). There are some external adapters or SD cards that let you send images via WiFi with the 5D3. From what I've read, though, the 6D's WiFi works really well with remote control. I don't need that, and I use the extra features of the 5D3 more. It's a whole other debate as to which camera is best. They both offer similar IQ, so it boils down to features and price. The 6D is better value, but I prefer the 5D3's AF, customizable interface, and larger body size.


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Jul 25, 2015 08:10 |  #20

5D3 and the 24-70 2.8 II

Look how sharp the fence posts and bricks (supporting the porch) and the rest of the details on the are.

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Jul 25, 2015 08:31 as a reply to  @ Blake.Ross's post |  #21

one thing to be careful with on the upgrade is that you're coming from a small camera to a large camera. The weight of the 5D3 + 24-70ii is substantial, and lots of folks get burnt out on carrying such a combo, I should know, I shot the 5D2 + 24-70F2.8L and 24-70F2.8VC for years  :p. The 6D + 24-105 weighs substantially less, and even then, can be a burden for aps shooters accustomed to lighter gear.

the range is fairly limiting as well fyi, I'de rather carry a 35mm + 100mm or 50mm + 135mm. Even the lowly 24-105 can make for a better travel lens since the IS can make up for that stop of light in many cases.

take it out for night shooting, and you'll find out quickly that it's not bright enough.

take it out for vacation and 70mm's on the long end may leave you wishing for more, which you dont have.

you're looking for a jack of all trades, and even then, the 24-105 is better in that regard.

The 24-70 is a lens that should be accompanied with another IMO, as the range is fairly short.


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Jul 25, 2015 09:29 |  #22

Nice package you're putting together.

If you already have an ultra wide, why not simply get the 24-70, and a prime? You can always upgrade the sigma later.

If you've not had that focal range covered before (24-70) you will swiftly find it on your body far more often than the ultra wide.

Then, if you must have a prime, the 85mm 1.2 or 135 2.0 would give you better indoor photography options, and longer lengths.

But to throw in an additional thought? Why not go for the 70-200 2.8 ll. as a second lens purchase. With you main zoom range now covered, your next purchase will be your primes... Just a thought.


Edit: if you are only going to use these tools on a tripod, then AF SYSTEMS aren't too important. Consider manual focus lenses... But, fact is, that will not be the case...especially since you'll be taking snaps on photo walks and travels...you'll need that AF SYSTEM. That in mind, if the 5d3 has been your dream body, I'd say DO IT! Don't compromise. You won't have buyers remorse later. ...just my 2 cents.


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Jul 26, 2015 03:32 as a reply to  @ mikewinburn's post |  #23

Funny you posted that, I just sent in a message to the eBay store for their best price on the same kit but instead of the 16-35 2.8 it'll be the 135mm 2.0


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Jul 26, 2015 03:37 |  #24

I voted the 24-70 only because it can do it all but for traveling it is a pig. I have a Tamron 24-70 VC and it's about the same weight and after a day of carrying it around with a decent strap, it's still damn heavy but it is versatile.


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Jul 26, 2015 07:40 as a reply to  @ Blake.Ross's post |  #25

The 135 f/2 is awesome
First shot is 135mm f/2 with 5Dmk3 of my daughter. You cant beat the 135 bokeh
Here is snapshot portrait with 5Dmk3 and 24-70mk2 at 70mm of my wife at f2.8


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Jul 26, 2015 14:17 |  #26

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First shot is 135mm f/2 with 5Dmk3 of my daughter. You cant beat the 135 bokeh
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Very nice. Thanks for reminding me I need to take my 135L out for a spin more.




  
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Jul 27, 2015 15:04 |  #27

Blake.Ross wrote in post #17643245 (external link)
So I'm about to make the biggest purchase in my photographic life:
Canon 5D MkIII - My dream body
16-35mm 2.8L II - Milkyway, landscape, timelapses and travelling selfies with wife lol
~24-70mm 2.8L II - Sharp portraits and primary travel lens and f/2.8 because we're often shooting in low light
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Talked the eBay store (E-Infinity) down to $6850AUD for the lot, but just not 100% settled on the 24-70mm.

My wife wants a lens that's nice and sharp for portraits, but we're also looking to use this as the primary lens while travelling abroad.
I'm wondering how sharp the lens actually is compared to a prime and if a prime would be more annoying than not for our requirements.

Would this be a good investment? We're really wanting some much sharper lenses than we have now and are okay with the cost of the L series.

as others noted, the 24-70 2.8 II is razor sharp. i just want to put it out there that I have both that lens and the 24-70 f4 IS, and on my last vacation (to Canada) I brought the f4 instead of the f2.8 and got many shots that would have been totally impossible with the f2.8 due to the IS on the f4.

yes, the f4 is noticeably less sharp at the pixel-level, but sharpness isn't everything.

i would also say that for travel photography i seek greater DOF on more shots than shallower. like say if you're tilting your head back trying to take a pic of the ceiling of a church at an angle, even the most athletic photographer will be shaking all over the place.

an even better combo, if you could swing it, is the f4 IS + a large aperture prime for those times you need stop action, or more blur.


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Jul 27, 2015 20:06 |  #28

The 24-70/2.8 II is a solid option for a standard zoom. That should stay on your list, to build your kit around.

I'm not so sure about the 16-35/2.8 though since much of its range is already covered by the wide end of the 24-70. If you really want to do astrophotography, have you considered the 14mm f/2.8L II? If star shots are not a major consideration (allowing for slower lenses) there is also the 11-24mm f/4 to think about. It's quite pricy, but by all accounts amazing bordering on magical, and with no redundancy with the 24-70, so possibly one worth saving up for. Watch some of the reviews for it, it might get you thinking.

As others have already mentioned, if you find yourself doing a lot of portraits, you'll end up wanting something longer than 70mm. Some appealing options will include the 85mm lenses (1.8 and 1.2), 135/2, and 70-200/2.8 mk II. The 70-200 mkII is another of those premium zooms that holds its own against prime lenses.


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Jul 27, 2015 20:13 |  #29

I just pulled the trigger on the following items:

Canon 5D MkIII
Canon 5D MkIII Battery Grip + Battery
Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II
Canon 135mm f/2.0L

$6,220 AUD delivered.

Very excited and should have it here in the next 2-3 days. :lol::lol::lol:


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Jul 27, 2015 20:46 |  #30

Blake.Ross wrote in post #17646676 (external link)
I just pulled the trigger on the following items:

Canon 5D MkIII
Canon 5D MkIII Battery Grip + Battery
Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II
Canon 135mm f/2.0L

$6,220 AUD delivered.

Very excited and should have it here in the next 2-3 days. :lol::lol::lol:

Very nice. I have all that and the 5d3 with the 135L is a special thing.




  
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