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Jul 28, 2015 14:51 |  #7306

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Thank you! Actually that light was a flash I had pointed outside the door to light up the wood. Come to think of it, I should have gridded the flash so that the spill was minimal. I tried messing with the distortion quite a bit (I'm assuming you're speaking of the distortion on the door frame on the left side of the image). I probably could have done better, but this is why critique exists, a fresh set of eyes to see!

I'm sure he would thank you for the compliment. As for the critique, which shots are you speaking of in regards to paying attention to verticals? The shots w/the kitchen island and rangetop were taken with a 12mm lens and I had corrected/cropped as much as I could without making it look super crazy.

Many times a lens profile will clean that barrel distortion right up, so give that a shot. If you're going to add flash to a tungsten light dominated scene, it needs to be gelled to match the color. Also, don't use a flash if it's not adding any value to the photo.

If you're not already, you should shoot shots like these with brackets that include with and without flash, so you can simply bring in a layer in PS without the offending flash, in this case.

Is that 12mm on FF? If so, that is just so mega-wide and will give you rampant distortion that is not really fixable in post. If you are going to tilt the photo in order to correct the verticals later, know that there is a limit to how much you can tilt the camera and expect decent results after correction. It's the equivalent of using an extreme shift on a T/S lens, which doesn't look great, so should only be used when absolutely necessary.

Not everything in an interior needs to be ultrawide, try some longer focal lengths, so the features you're looking to capture are represented more accurately.




  
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Jul 28, 2015 15:34 |  #7307

Need some helpful C&C and opinions. I can't determine what to do here with my workflow and shooting conditions. Just got done with a condo with nice views and am torn between using HDR or just a single flash exposure. I'm used to just doing single flash and editing in LR, but HDR has me intrigued as well. But each time I play with both types of files I almost prefer the single flash.
I like the single flash due to being really quick to post process and the results come out good. But the HDR seems useful in other situations? What do you guys think?

HDR or single flash frame? I'll post 2 threads for 2 different rooms.

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Jul 28, 2015 15:35 |  #7308

2nd set of bedroom, flash or HDR?

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Jul 28, 2015 16:10 |  #7309

tytlyf wrote in post #17647759 (external link)
Need some helpful C&C and opinions.


Amateur opinion ......

Rather the 1st image of living room but would have preferred just a little brighter.

Rather the 2nd image of bedroom except for the ceiling fan shadow.

What HDR program ?




  
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Jul 28, 2015 16:34 |  #7310

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Amateur opinion ......

Rather the 1st image of living room but would have preferred just a little brighter.

Rather the 2nd image of bedroom except for the ceiling fan shadow.

What HDR program ?

These are in LR HDR merge. The HDR are 3 exposures. (the flashed image, window pull, ambient)


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Jul 28, 2015 22:08 |  #7311

The Loretto Chapel in Santa Fe NM. This staircase is the subject of an interesting legendary tale referenced here (external link) for the benefit of anyone who might be interested. This shot is was handheld in natural light at 1/20th and ISO 800 with 28-135. I shot it with a 30D. I really like my 7DII but, now that I am 2 bodies removed from the 30D, I continue to be amazed at just how much that camera would do. They wouldn't allow flash or tripod so I turned the ISO up expecting just a "record shot" for my wife. I think the 30D really overachieved here. Hope everyone enjoys it. Comments always welcomed and appreciated.


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Jul 28, 2015 22:16 |  #7312

ESMcBlurM3 wrote in post #17647164 (external link)
I certainly appreciate your point. I feel that brighter images almost always show better in print for clients / real estate ads, and this particular exterior was very difficult with the ambient light and amount of shade due to the large trees on the property. My attempt was to limit the shadows throughout and make the image appear as 'even' as possible (this was done via 3-image bracketing).

Interesting. I wondered if it was intentional or just the result of HDR. I have a client who specifies a very bright image inside but never outside and I rarely shoot brackets outside. Here are a couple with deeper shadows. Both are single exposures with some extra work in post.


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Jul 28, 2015 22:26 |  #7313

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Interesting. I wondered if it was intentional or just the result of HDR. I have a client who specifies a very bright image inside but never outside and I rarely shoot brackets outside. Here are a couple with deeper shadows. Both are single exposures with some extra work in post.
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Richard, your work is always nice. :)
On the first one I think I would have tried getting lower to make sure the leaves didn't occlude the view of the dormers, which is a nice design attribute to the house. What do you think about that? Too problematic in other ways perhaps?

The church shot is wonderful.


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Jul 28, 2015 22:42 |  #7314

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Richard, your work is always nice. :)
On the first one I think I would have tried getting lower to make sure the leaves didn't occlude the view of the dormers, which is a nice design attribute to the house. What do you think about that? Too problematic in other ways perhaps?

The church shot is wonderful.

Thanks, David. I appreciate your comment very much. I think lower would have introduced more vertical convergence than I want to handle in post. Moving closer would clear the dormers but add more WA distortion and minimize the trees. I did more formal shots of that house but I kind of wanted this one to look like more of an environmental image.


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Jul 29, 2015 21:05 |  #7316

tytlyf wrote in post #17647759 (external link)
Need some helpful C&C and opinions. I can't determine what to do here with my workflow and shooting conditions. Just got done with a condo with nice views and am torn between using HDR or just a single flash exposure. I'm used to just doing single flash and editing in LR, but HDR has me intrigued as well. But each time I play with both types of files I almost prefer the single flash.
I like the single flash due to being really quick to post process and the results come out good. But the HDR seems useful in other situations? What do you guys think?

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Flash pretty much always. Although for your flash image you should either use more flashes to evenly lit the interior, or use a flash+ambient for your main exposure, and use a different exposure for the window. Many of my images involve blending flash or hot light and ambient layers to get the best parts of both.

That HDR looks pretty unrealistic. I think it can be decent for exterior stuff when used subtly, but this is very pronounced. The color casts are pretty strong, the blue daylight is everywhere, and the edges where the luminance changes are very soft. This is especially evident on the edge of the porch where it meets the exterior scene. You also get unpredictable HDR artifacts such as a dark spot on the ceiling and floor, which make no sense.

You might have to tweak some techniques to get flash to work right for you, but the results are so much better than HDR when you do.




  
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Jul 30, 2015 13:25 |  #7317

tytlyf wrote in post #17647759 (external link)
Need some helpful C&C and opinions. I can't determine what to do here with my workflow and shooting conditions. Just got done with a condo with nice views and am torn between using HDR or just a single flash exposure. I'm used to just doing single flash and editing in LR, but HDR has me intrigued as well. But each time I play with both types of files I almost prefer the single flash.
I like the single flash due to being really quick to post process and the results come out good. But the HDR seems useful in other situations? What do you guys think?

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I'm also curious about what software you are using? The shadowing is way off and the color casts are pretty extreme. If I HAD to pick the single flash looks much better however you are always dealing with the harsh shadows when you have a single flash on camera.


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Jul 30, 2015 14:15 |  #7318

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I'm also curious about what software you are using? The shadowing is way off and the color casts are pretty extreme. If I HAD to pick the single flash looks much better however you are always dealing with the harsh shadows when you have a single flash on camera.

I agree. The worst and cheapest work I see in my market is on camera flash - followed closely by by poorly processed or in camera HDR. Single camera flash never looks natural. There are dark, harsh shadows and uneven light. Bad HDR usually has windows too bright with little attention paid to light bulb details and color shifts. And, often, the shadows are unnaturally bright. Good HDR takes work in post and good flash takes work (and time) on site. I think flash works well in smaller more rectangular rooms or rooms without furniture. For rooms with complex angles, lots of furniture, lots reflective surfaces, or just very large spaces, HDR, EF, or hand blending seems to work better unless you have the time and lights to light such a room well. I think time in post can be saved by using flash where it can be done quickly.


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Jul 30, 2015 21:08 |  #7319

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I'm also curious about what software you are using? The shadowing is way off and the color casts are pretty extreme. If I HAD to pick the single flash looks much better however you are always dealing with the harsh shadows when you have a single flash on camera.

I just use lightroom for editing and HDR merge. I use a single flash on camera and dodge/burn in LR.


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Jul 30, 2015 21:27 |  #7320

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I just use lightroom for editing and HDR merge. I use a single flash on camera and dodge/burn in LR.

First I want to say that your flash images above are quite good for a single on camera flash. That said, I prefer the HDR ones overall.

If I may be permitted some mild criticism, in the flashed image of the bedroom, one light is quite good in that little room. I would prefer it to the HDR if it were not for the shadow behind the ceiling fan. Is that a direct flash? Bouncing it off of the wall behind the camera would probably take the edge off of the shadow. I also like the window pull in the HDR better but that's just a function of SS - a faster shutter would not effect flash but would make the window print darker.

The other room is long and narrow and your flash falls off about 2/3 of the way in. It's quite obvious. You could, perhaps, feather it up a bit or maybe hide a small low power flash behind the sofa. I really think the HDR is your best here.

Hope this is all helpful.


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