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Aug 01, 2015 00:26 |  #3121

It seems like I never have a shot at a lot of crater action...am I doing something wrong, or does the moon just suck over Pennsylvania?

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Aug 01, 2015 06:23 |  #3122

SE Michigan July-31-2015 Moon images
The single Full moon is from 11:20pm last night.
Canon 70D at 560mm via 200mm + 2x & 1.4x TC and crop to show it big.
Even though clear skies there were some upper air thermals that kept this from being razor sharp.
The multiple moon images are shot at 2 focal lengths, 560mm and 200mm.
Images are real time 2 minutes apart and then stacked, not "faked".
(StarStax used to simply stack them)

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560mm stacked 2 minutes apart

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200mm stacked 2 minutes apart

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Aug 01, 2015 06:31 |  #3123

Ace and Deuce wrote in post #17652112 (external link)
It seems like I never have a shot at a lot of crater action...am I doing something wrong, or does the moon just suck over Pennsylvania?

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What do you mean by "crater action"
There are always some upper air thermals that can limit your clearness for true sharp craters.
I've taken pictures 2 minutes apart and am amazed upon detail inspection how they differ in detail, even on specific portions of the moon, I usually just pick the "best" and post it.
Your 800mm image is really nice.

When I had my 8" telescope it was always neat to watch the moon live thru it, and see the air thermals playing with the clarity minutely.

For reference, here's an image taken thru it at prime focus with my T1i back in Jul 13, 2011 full moon.
There is always someone with "more reach", a bigger telescope, etc.
We have to learn to be happy with the gear we have and the results that can be produced with it....


Disclaimer: This taken at prime focus thru telescope, not using a 50mm lens, but there is no way to add a picture to the gallery for prime focus shots ...

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Aug 01, 2015 06:35 |  #3124

A full moon is probably one of the worst phases to shoot if you want craters, in my opinion. Wait until you have light falloff across the face, and you get the shadows needed to define the craters.


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Aug 01, 2015 07:52 |  #3125

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17652256 (external link)
A full moon is probably one of the worst phases to shoot if you want craters, in my opinion. Wait until you have light falloff across the face, and you get the shadows needed to define the craters.

If shooting with lens I agree, with telescopes you can get quite remarkable crater detail even on full moon with decent seeing conditions.

Look what my T1i did on a 8" telescope above.
Guys with the really big scopes, 12" and above post remarkable moon images.


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Aug 01, 2015 18:55 |  #3126

Thanks, guys! It just seems like I get craters on the sides of the moon with a lot of detail, but nowhere else. The picture on top of page 208 shows a lot of crater detail in places that I don't have detail, and it's almost the same exact shot.

...also, what do you mean, ..."have light falloff"? Do you mean when it's not a full moon, or later in the evening/night?


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Aug 01, 2015 20:58 |  #3127

One of the craters on the moon seems to have the most raised detail and lines running out from it, was that a famous major hit by an asteroid or something?

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Aug 01, 2015 21:24 |  #3128

Ace and Deuce wrote in post #17652112 (external link)
It seems like I never have a shot at a lot of crater action...am I doing something wrong, or does the moon just suck over Pennsylvania?

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You have a very nice capture here and you have crater action on the edges . You get this when the moon is not 100% . But as mentioned above in a telescope you can get some great action when focused perfect but I have mentioned in the past to some that a full moon at 100% is almost impossible to get great focus and detail when taken from a camera and lens on a tripod . It has to do with the brightness of the moon . If you get a moon filter that will fit the lens your using you can possibly reverse that problem but finding a moon lens in 77mm is another situation .




  
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Aug 01, 2015 22:12 |  #3129

mtbdudex wrote in post #17652306 (external link)
If shooting with lens I agree, with telescopes you can get quite remarkable crater detail even on full moon with decent seeing conditions.

Look what my T1i did on a 8" telescope above.
Guys with the really big scopes, 12" and above post remarkable moon images.

This is what I did with the 5D3 and my lenses. The moon seems more interesting when it isn't a full moon, at least from what I have shot anyways.

I know I have posted this before, perhaps in this thread, but it has been a while.

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This is a section taken from one of my 7D shots and the same lens/TCs.

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My full moon shots don't look great, but waning or waxing phases seem to provide better images for me anyways. :)

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Aug 01, 2015 22:49 |  #3130

That second image is what I'm talking about! That's what I'm looking for. Which lens are you using, and a 2x TC, I assume?


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Aug 01, 2015 23:44 |  #3131

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17651445 (external link)
One must measure from the secondary nodal point of convergence within the lens assembly to the rear focal point ( sensor/film )

I use a sigma 50-500 with a kenko 1.4 and 2x, handheld or on a chair cushion as I don't have the equipment to hold that setup very still.


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Aug 01, 2015 23:47 |  #3132

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17653169 (external link)
I use a sigma 50-500 with a kenko 1.4 and 2x, handheld or on a chair cushion as I don't have the equipment to hold that setup very still.

Hand held! I am impressed as I have the same lens. With 2 TC's that makes it that much more difficult to hand hold.

EDIT: I have the 150-500 not the 50-500


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Aug 01, 2015 23:47 |  #3133

Ace and Deuce wrote in post #17653116 (external link)
That second image is what I'm talking about! That's what I'm looking for. Which lens are you using, and a 2x TC, I assume?


Ace...when you shoot a full moon the craters are mostly visible on the edges because the light is not flat on the edges. A full moon is the worst time to shoot if you want to see craters. Try shooting it when it is not full, you'll see tons of craters.


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