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Shooting down a drone

 
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Aug 05, 2015 08:52 |  #106

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.. People have been flying all sorts of model aircraft with cameras fo many years and no one even noticed.

I think it's the label "drone" that has become attached to quad copters. It instantly conjures visions of military drones and their deadly capabilities. Somehow remote controlled model with camera is just not that frightening.


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Aug 05, 2015 11:47 as a reply to  @ post 17657228 |  #107

Actually, in the US, you do have some rights to airspace, although to what extent appears ambiguous, and it probably varies depending on the jurisdiction. Think about it this way, suppose the drone was hovering just five to ten feet above your yard?


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Aug 05, 2015 12:22 |  #108

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Actually, in the US, you do have some rights to airspace, although to what extent appears ambiguous, and it probably varies depending on the jurisdiction. Think about it this way, suppose the drone was hovering just five to ten feet above your yard?

Then I would have swatted it with the shotgun! ; D


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Aug 05, 2015 13:35 |  #109

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Think about it this way, suppose the drone was hovering just five to ten feet above your yard?

Butterfly net . . .


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Aug 05, 2015 14:08 |  #110

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Actually, in the US, you do have some rights to airspace, although to what extent appears ambiguous, and it probably varies depending on the jurisdiction. Think about it this way, suppose the drone was hovering just five to ten feet above your yard?

And before you think about taking an action that might destroy it, think about the possibility that something you own is causing signal interference and making the drone operate in a manner not expected by the owner. Which is something I've seen happen first hand when my friend's neighbour fired up some home build thing in his garage (We still have no idea what it is, but we now know it throws out massive white noise overlapping GPS signals and our 2.4ghz WiFi controllers and is powerful enough to have made the quadcopter enter its fail-safe hover mode trying to recover signal, and then get confused trying to navigate back 'home' when GPS timing became scrambled.)

The neighbour insists he has "no radio equipment or anything like that" in his shop, but something is blasting out signals that screw with wifi in the area. Luckily it is a rural area and not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, as it really only affects a few households, but it is still annoying that he refuses to do anything about the emissions.


It does also highlight the need for good fault tolerance in control design and the need for failsafes in such devices to keep them from doing weird and dangerous things.


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Aug 05, 2015 16:00 as a reply to  @ Luckless's post |  #111

My point was in reference to the ambiguous issue of air space rights, not on vindication of any particular action. This said, if the item was posing a safety threat to my hypothetical children, then the baseball bat or butterfly net comes out.


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Aug 05, 2015 16:22 |  #112

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Well, if drones were bringing me drugs, I would not shoot them down over my property!

that said, if the drone was flying over my property to deliver drugs elsewhere, I would be OBLIGATED to shoot it down!

(wouldn't want it to fall into the wrong hands)



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Aug 05, 2015 16:37 as a reply to  @ sjones's post |  #113

Personally I would suggest that in most cases you are probably better off clearing the area and taking cover if it comes to a question of safety around an unknown drone. Actually attempting to directly disable, capture, knock down, or destroy anything large enough to reliably fly outdoors just seems like a good way to have it go in unexpected directions at questionable speeds.

Taking high speed prop blades to your nose is not a fun feeling.


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Aug 06, 2015 14:41 |  #114

Garden hose to bring it down. My Anitolian Shephard to finish it off, before I return the pieces to the owner.




  
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Aug 06, 2015 18:08 |  #115

I can see a new kind of video coming on youtube, like "My neighbors have sex" etc ...
don't you think ?


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Aug 06, 2015 18:18 as a reply to  @ Reservoir Dog's post |  #116

My neighbors are in their 80's, so eeww. -?


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Aug 06, 2015 22:36 |  #117

I only have a 6D. Will its AF result in clean DIF?  :p

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Aug 07, 2015 07:55 |  #118

Luckless wrote in post #17657669 (external link)
...is causing signal interference and making the drone operate in a manner not expected by the owner. Which is something I've seen happen first hand when my friend's neighbour fired up some home build thing in his garage (We still have no idea what it is, but we now know it throws out massive white noise overlapping GPS signals and our 2.4ghz WiFi controllers and is powerful enough to have made the quadcopter enter its fail-safe hover mode trying to recover signal, and then get confused trying to navigate back 'home' when GPS timing became scrambled.)

The neighbour insists he has "no radio equipment or anything like that" in his shop, but something is blasting out signals that screw with wifi in the area. Luckily it is a rural area and not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, as it really only affects a few households, but it is still annoying that he refuses to do anything about the emissions.
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Why do you think the signals are coming out of his garage? What type of "home built thing" are you talking about? I'm not defending anybody, but curious. Faulty insulators, bad transformers, bad/arcing connections, etc., can all cause intermittent "radio" interference. Household items can be notorious for emitting "white noise". I knew a guy who's wife bought a nice "touch control" table lamp...he immediately started getting interference while trying to operate his HAM radio. Magically, one day while his wife was gone the interference stopped but also the "touch" feature on the lamp...most HAMs are somewhat handy with electrical items. ;) Here's a good article regarding power line noise: http://www.arrl.org/po​wer-line-noise (external link)

Anyhow, if you rule out things around your house then I would call your electric company and tell them you are receiving some type of electrical interference on your radio devices. If they have a problem with their system they want to know about it...they can rule in or out that their power lines are the issue. If they rule it out, then contact the FCC. Here is a link to give some guidance on filing a complaint: https://consumercompla​ints.fcc.gov …-TV-and-Telephone-Signals (external link)

Of course, your neighbor might be being nice and jamming your drone rather than blasting it out of the sky. ;-)a

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Aug 07, 2015 08:45 |  #119

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Why do you think the signals are coming out of his garage? What type of "home built thing" are you talking about?

We know it is coming from his place because we could triangulate it to his workshop fairly easily with some basic radio gear. As for what it is, we're not totally sure, but it is throwing off broadband interference that isn't a continuous wavelength. The guy tinkers with things and the nature of the signal doesn't look like anything any remotely modern off the shelf gear would ever produce. It might not have been something he built himself, but it seems most probable. And the signals also only show up when he is running some machine in his garage.

Reports and such have been filed, but I have no idea what ever came of it. I should probably ask and see what happened with it.


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Aug 07, 2015 09:11 |  #120

Welding of some type maybe?

Yes, I would follow up on the previous reports that were filed. If the wheel doesn't squeak it doesn't get any oil...

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