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Aug 12, 2015 05:26 |  #211

interesting http://joshanon.com …from_canon_to_s​ony_almost (external link)


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Aug 12, 2015 07:20 |  #212

jonneymendoza wrote in post #17665867 (external link)
is that with your canon 24-70 f2.8 mk2 lens?

Nope that's with the native FE 35 1.4. Eye focus doesn't work with adapted lenses.


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Aug 12, 2015 11:31 |  #213

There we go, a review with pictures testing actual autofocus scenarios in different settings than just a living room.


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Aug 12, 2015 12:05 |  #214

idkdc wrote in post #17666192 (external link)
There we go, a review with pictures testing actual autofocus scenarios in different settings than just a living room.

Because trying to AF on a black charger is an actual scenario?

I've been shooting on an adapted 24-70II, including a birthday party we had for my son, and the AF was been more than adequate. If you really want photos of that, I can upload them.

The adapted 24-70 will struggle with low-light AF in flexible point small, but as seen in the low light video I posted, it will focus fine in piss-poor light of my media room when set to flexible-point medium or large...so i wonder what setting he had in the restaurant. Huge difference in AF reliability between small and medium.

Most of his beef with adapted lenses involved AF tracking, and I agree that you shouldn't rely on adapted lenses for AF tracking, particularly because the proper predictive tracking mode (lock-on AF) does not work with adapted lenses. In his tracking test of the seagulls with the native lens, he's still using the wrong mode (flexible spot), in lieu of lock-on AF. I haven't tried the lock-on AF with the a7rII yet, but with my old a7II, it works well with native lenses.


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Aug 12, 2015 12:24 |  #215

idkdc wrote in post #17666192 (external link)
There we go, a review with pictures testing actual autofocus scenarios in different settings than just a living room.

it's quite a black and white review. Starts with a preface "If you shoot anything that moves, it’s not ready for prime time.", then proceeds to track birds, which is by far the most demanding of all types of photography. I'm sure there are some shades of gray in between, birding is literally the hardest thing to focus on.

Looks like the camera will work fine for incidental wildlife, but if that's your bread and butter, you should stay away from it.

It'll probably do fine for people based photography, the A7ii does fine as is with native glass, I cant imagine the AF of the A7rii being downgraded from that. If you want top notch AF from the A7 series, you'll have to get native, and even then, it doesnt quite match DSLR, however it's good. There are plenty of DSLR's that have great AF, and if it's GREAT AF you need, then DSLR is your answer.

if good AF is all you care for, and like the whole slew of other features like silent shutter, ibis, 4k, high iso performance, adaptability with all lenses, optional small size, then the A7rii would be a good candidate.


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Aug 12, 2015 12:57 |  #216

I pretty much agree with this review and why so far my plan is to use the camera for slower moving portrait type pictures with fast primes or specialty lenses, such as the Canon 8-15 F4, for funky type pictures.

The IBIS is in my opinion amazing - it is a game changer for non studio handheld portraits - handholding an 85L at F1.2 at 1/20th and getting a tack sharp 40 megapixel picture is what I wanted the camera for and it is perfect - it is 90% the IBIS and 10% EFC - something from a handheld perspective you can't do with the 5DSR - I did read however that somewhere just faster than SS 1/1000, the EFC exposure starts to affected consistent exposure across the frame and you should really change to the mechanical exposure for proper exposure - so this will eliminate some of the stability effect but I don't see that really ever being an issue for me as I am not a midday beach sun shooter.

I can also confirm that the 8-15mm F4 works very well with the Metabones IV - it was one of the lens I took out today and stop in to an outdoor wedding space that I have shot at before.

No profile correction but CA removed in LR - 14mm, F8, 1/60, ISO 400 + moved a few sliders to get what I was looking for.

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Aug 12, 2015 13:38 |  #217

also did a very small bit of testing today with the 70-200 F4 IS

this lens would basically be a perfect lens for the A7Rii in terms of size / fitment etc

it works most of the time very well (with Metabones IV) but then it can act up and stop focusing completely - wasn't even enough to turn camera off then on - had to do that plus remove the lens from adapter

it is one of my secret favourite lenses to the big brother F2.8 because it is only the tiniest fraction off of F2.8 sharpness (basically completely unnoticeable) and yet so much lighter and the IS is very good, not 100-400II good but at least 3 stops good

I wish it would work 100% of the time and not 85% because you can't shoot a wedding at 85% - but a good portrait lens for sure.

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Hockey and wedding photographer. Favourite camera / lens combos: a 1DX II with a Tamron 45 1.8 VC, an A7Rii with a Canon 24-70F2.8L II, and a 5DSR with a Tamron 85 1.8 VC. Every lens I own I strongly recommend [Canon (35Lii, 100L Macro, 24-70F2.8ii, 70-200F2.8ii, 100-400Lii), Tamron (45 1.8, 85 1.8), Sigma 24-105]. If there are better lenses out there let me know because I haven't found them.

  
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Aug 12, 2015 13:54 |  #218

mystik610 wrote in post #17666223 (external link)
Because trying to AF on a black charger is an actual scenario?

I've been shooting on an adapted 24-70II, including a birthday party we had for my son, and the AF was been more than adequate. If you really want photos of that, I can upload them.

The adapted 24-70 will struggle with low-light AF in flexible point small, but as seen in the low light video I posted, it will focus fine in piss-poor light of my media room when set to flexible-point medium or large...so i wonder what setting he had in the restaurant. Huge difference in AF reliability between small and medium.

Most of his beef with adapted lenses involved AF tracking, and I agree that you shouldn't rely on adapted lenses for AF tracking, particularly because the proper predictive tracking mode (lock-on AF) does not work with adapted lenses. In his tracking test of the seagulls with the native lens, he's still using the wrong mode (flexible spot), in lieu of lock-on AF. I haven't tried the lock-on AF with the a7rII yet, but with my old a7II, it works well with native lenses.

Could be the case. I'm not familiar with the Sony's tracking modes. Your 35mm f/1.4 also has the newest autofocus system from Sony, doesn't it?

Charlie wrote in post #17666235 (external link)
Looks like the camera will work fine for incidental wildlife, but if that's your bread and butter, you should stay away from it.

It'll probably do fine for people based photography, the A7ii does fine as is with native glass

People can move erratically unless you're shooting grip and grins. Get on the dance floor with some twenty-somethings and try autofocusing with the a7ii for a bit.

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17666314 (external link)
I wish it would work 100% of the time and not 85% because you can't shoot a wedding at 85%

This. "Good enough" doesn't apply to weddings if you're shooting at a certain market level. Weddings can be more challenging than sports in many ways, so I'm not sure why people downplay autofocus reliability for 12k jobs.


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Aug 12, 2015 13:55 |  #219

not sure if new or not, but I found a low light comparison with the 5D3, A7rii, and A7r:

https://www.flickr.com …@N00/1953235530​3/sizes/o/ (external link)

IMO, that's a good 1+ stop improvement in usability IMO. I'de be comfortable using 12800 in a pinch, and below that is much improved as well.


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Aug 12, 2015 14:02 |  #220

idkdc wrote in post #17666339 (external link)
People move unless you're shooting grip and grins. Get on the dance floor and try that out for a bit. The A7ii doesn't fare well there.

I wouldnt know, MF was so easy to capture a dancing couple didnt even bother trying AF.

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Event photography's not really that fast as you imagine.

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Aug 12, 2015 14:05 |  #221

Charlie wrote in post #17666352 (external link)
I wouldnt know, MF was so easy to capture a dancing couple didnt even bother trying AF.

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Event photography's not really that fast as you imagine.

I saw that already. You have any eyes in focus there? I've been shooting concerts, sports and weddings for six years now, so I think I have a pretty accurate imagination of how fast things can get.


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Aug 12, 2015 14:18 |  #222

idkdc wrote in post #17666360 (external link)
I saw that already. You have any eyes in focus there? I've been shooting concerts, sports and weddings for six years, so I think I have a pretty accurate imagination of how fast things can get.

yes, it's completely in focus, I can even supply 100% crops.

I'm just saying that if I can manual focus the event, then it's really not as fast as you believe it to be. I wouldnt even think twice about manual focusing a full wedding, and have no doubt native glass would focus faster than I could manually focus.

it's like capturing golf.... it's a sport and all, but vastly different from skiiing for instance. That would be hard as hell to capture using native AF, if even possible. Birding just goes into it's own category, and can be very hard as they are super agile creatures.


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Aug 12, 2015 14:26 |  #223

I just picked up my A7RII last week. I've only had time to do one photoshoot and haven't even taken 100 photos yet. I want to start by saying I'm upgrading from a crop sensor A65. I know my impressions will be a lot different than people who are already shooting full frame. Also, my entire shoot was done on a tripod so I could shoot at ISO 50. I can't yet attest to how well it works in hand held low light situations. For me, this camera is a game changer. The photo quality is infinitely better than what I was working with. I like the fact I can crop way in and lose very little detail. It focuses fast and easy as well.

Here is an example photo shot with the A7RII and Sony FE 16-35mm F4 ZA OSS lense.

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Aug 12, 2015 14:27 |  #224

Charlie wrote in post #17666370 (external link)
yes, it's completely in focus, I can even supply 100% crops.

I'm just saying that if I can manual focus the event, then it's really not as fast as you believe it to be. I wouldnt even think twice about manual focusing a full wedding, and have no doubt native glass would focus faster than I could manually focus.

it's like capturing golf.... it's a sport and all, but vastly different from skiiing for instance. That would be hard as hell to capture using native AF, if even possible. Birding just goes into it's own category, and can be very hard as they are super agile creatures.


There's no iris in the shot. How can you judge focus here? You know any pro golf photographers shooting manual focus? Just because you can do it doesn't mean it's the smartest thing to do when you have paying customers and contracts to fulfill.


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Aug 12, 2015 14:35 |  #225

mstg46 wrote in post #17666377 (external link)
I just picked up my A7RII last week. I've only had time to do one photoshoot and haven't even taken 100 photos yet. I want to start by saying I'm upgrading from a crop sensor A65. I know my impressions will be a lot different than people who are already shooting full frame. Also, my entire shoot was done on a tripod so I could shoot at ISO 50. I can't yet attest to how well it works in hand held low light situations. For me, this camera is a game changer. The photo quality is infinitely better than what I was working with. I like the fact I can crop way in and lose very little detail. It focuses fast and easy as well.

Here is an example photo shot with the A7RII and Sony FE 16-35mm F4 ZA OSS lense.

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